What Mrs Meeks said

What Mrs Meeks said

Postby not sure » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:31 pm

more mama meeks messages here

These are postings I had copied from the defunct Cabin28 board. This was just one thread titled 'what i know'. I have other posts copied but wanted to post this one because it was her first and told of the call from LaRonda. Dmac, feel free to do what you want with it. Some of this may fit in your Marty timeline, some elsewhere. Here it is:

richards mother

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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: what i know

when i frist was ask to come on this site i wrote of all i know and how i feel and why i feel the way i do........some where down the line i think it all got deleated.....i know there is a lot of new pelope that probely didn't get to read it ...so will write it over
my family...we moved to quincy 79......it consisted of....myself, wade, charles, richard, walter and laronda......no father figer at that time,,,,,,wade enrolled in collage and talked me in to doing so myself for my ged........charles was in high school......the others were in jr. high and greade school........just an ordenary family......ofcourse i thought my kids was pretty good ....just like any mother does........

iwant you to know i am the worlds worst speller....so hang with me and try to figer out what i am trying to get across to you..........and other thing......i am not a computer whizz.....so i am going to put it on several post.....because when i type something..i read it over and high light it......often , punch a button and erase what i wrote and have to do it all over again.......not fun.

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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: sues familly

sue familly cosisted of ....herself, and five children,,,,,sheila, jonny, tina and the two younger boys
sue was a quite women...and pretty private. to most people, about her home life........she was a calm women, i don't ever remember her getting real mad , screaming ore yelling but manage to get her point across quitly but firmly......i think she had a good personaty......and was fun to be around
sheila.....was a sparkely young lady.....not a girly girly but more of a tom boy......
jonny....nice looking kid.....happy go lucky......well like...., respeckful to others
tina....a very sweet child,,,,,small and emature for her age.........
the younger boys......well they were just part of the family.....where sue went, they went.......

richards mother
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: the sharps and meeks

my kids met sues kids at school, they became frinds.......through them i met sue.......and we became friends......we had a lot in common......the kids, things we like to do......like playing cards , camping, or just being together...the more we were around one an other the more time we spent with eachother......it became ilke one big family....at most any given time.....one, two or all of us was together....i often think back to the good times we shared,,,,,,it makes me sad amd very angery that evil stepped in and took that awau from us......

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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: the smart family

wade and itook a class together at the collage....mrlyn was in that class also...we all desided to get together and study ....
several times we went to her house....this is how i met marty and bo....he was one of the nastyest and velgurest man i have ever met........he did not like women....and had no respect for any them are any one really,,,they had no name, he referred to them as bitches, sluts, c**t, whores are any things of that nature....severl times sue came up in our conve sations, his statment...all he could say about her....she need a good man refurring bo or himself could fit the bill....the age of a female made no difference.......i remember tina came over to his house when i was there.....when she went out the door, he made a nasty commet about her ...i told him "she is just a little girl" his reply IF THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED , THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO CUT...and laugh about it, guess he thought it was funny... OTHER TIMEs I HEARD IF THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED,THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO BREED.....you know, a person has to be pretty dam sick to talk or think like that....every time he referred to the female ......it was always very derogatory...i can't recall every thing i heard and it was a lot... but i think you people should get the drift .and marlyn, you were there and wade was there and heard all this ....bo was there also, he thought it was funny too.....he never said to much...just a nasty snicker at what marty said.....

richards mother
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: to DMac

i'm sorry ....i don't know that much about to do all the things you sugessed.....wish i did

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OUT AT SUES HOUSE ON THE NIGHT OF THE MUDERS....BUT IT WAS SOMETHING HARRIBLE......HOW COULD ANY ONE BE SO WARPED AS TO PUT THOSE PEOPLE THROUGH THAT MUCH.....IT WAS EVIL......

that day, sue and the family had spent the whole day at my house.........dania was there also, not sure of justen......she left the house a 6 in the evening, i remember loking at the c'lock....you know it's funny,,,,usually when she left my house , it was, see you tomorrow and i usually just stayed in the house...for some unbknown reason when she was going down the stepts the thought crossed my mind that i did say goood by to her...i got up and went out on the pourch and told her good by, watchd all of them get in the car and drive away.....strange...that was the last time i saw my good friend



richards mother
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:31 pm
Post subject: the day after

the next morning, i got a call from laronda [she stayed out at keddie with a friend, suie, who lived down the hill from sues house] she said something is wrong at sues house, there are cops all over. i tried to call sue but no one answed the phone....i called marlyn...she told me that sue . jonny and daina were dead and tina was missing....i don't remember how i felt...i don't think my mind could coupe with it...or acepted wht she was saying. remembered she sounded up set....i ask her if she wanted to come to town....she said yes, that she was afraid to stay out there so wade and i went out and picked her up

little fill in...a couple of months before this happened, i had taken a trip to phoenix......my ex came back up with me, he had met marty, and they had gone wood cutting together...they weren't friends per say but, i had the truck and marty had the saws...so we were kind of helping each other.........plans had been made to go that day.....jim went out there and he found marty burning some leaves out in the yard...when he got back he told me marty was burning some mens shoes with the leaves.....

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richards mother
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: DMac

no i can't back up craigs story ,,,,,somethings i do relate to, but on a lot of what he says, i disagree..how ever he knew the kids in a diff light than i did so i can't say ya or na as to him being right.
would you please hold off your sarcasizem until i have finished...if not go to some other post until i am done.

any way, wade and i went out and picked up marlyn and the boys...she kept saying she was afraid to stay there , afraid for herself and the kids,,,,,,this was probely around 8 or 9 that morn.....shortly after, marty showed up at the house, ..he came in and told marlyn that he was going to reno to pick up some car parts.....wade walked out on the poruch with him,,,,he told wade that they were going to take bo to the vet mental hospital .... there was a car parked in front of the house.....i saw it....wade said there were three people in the car, and he was sure bo and dee lake were in it........

later that day marlyn wanted to go out to keddie to get some clothes and things she
needed.....i kept the kids there with me....when they got back, she told me while they were there they had went down in the bassment....they had found a bloody hammer and a paper sack with blood on it..........i ask wade about this three month ago if he if he remembered this.....he did said he didn't recall seeing the hammer or sack but did remember seeing a termentious amount of hypodermick needles laying alll over the place......marlyn, blain did not go wih you that day.....probely did when you moved out.......

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richards mother
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: marty

marty showed back up at my house about six o'clock.....he wasn't in a car..i don't know how he got there......i have never been around any one that was on drugs or how they react to them .....but know he was high on something....he was like a mad man......he had a wild look in his eyes and kept walking around the room.......best i can explain it....was like a wild anamel put in a cage, paceing back and forth trying to get out......he ask me if i would take him to keddie, i told him no......kept asking over and over, saying........have to go, i started someting, and have to finish it...have to do it tonight,,,,have to go, it has to be done.....have to do it......got to finish what i started ....this went on for hours, saying it diff but meaning the same thing......by this time it was dark out side.....he desided to hitch hike.....i told him there was a killer out there....to waite and i would take him in the morn......finally talked him into staying,but some time in the night, around four in the a.m. he got up and left the house......
anyone that knows me willl tell you i'm not a person to get afraid over much of any thing,,,,,,,but before the night was over, i was sceared.......

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richards mother
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: sater

the next day, just around dusk, marty was standing across the street from my house........that night, jim, my ex, set by the front door all night witha gun across his lap.......he never said any thing......but that told me he was afraid of marty also........for about a week r so , marty would be across the street,off and on.......finally the police made him stop it.....i never saw or talked to him again.......

what happened those two days, , i did not make up......there was jim, wade, MARLYN, her kids, me, my kids all heard and saw this

about a week later wade was at a dance in tailorville.....when he left the bar he was stoped by the police....they took hin in for reckless driving.[not a dui]......marty was in there also [for kniving some one i think] when he saw wade he yelled at him, ,,,i got her and i'll do the same thing to you.......

severl yrs later, richsard had to spend the nigjt in jail...don't remember why dinnking in pub, i think.....the police brought another person in...he was high on drugs, he was put in the cell next to richards. with another man.....he could hear their conversations.....the talked turned to the keddie muders.......the guy said he knew all abou it,,,,,he had been at the bar out at keddie that night,,,,,said he walked out the back door, marty, bo and another person in a unaform were talking about sue and what they were going to do to her, how and why..... i don't know who this person was, but richards knew

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Edits in red...thought I'd captured the entire thread of her posts but realized I only got half of them. I didn't post the comments made by others, including you, Dmac, because they didn't add anything to what she had to say. I'll post more as I find them. Take note of the differences in what she has to say about that day leading up to the murders vs the timeline, etc. NS
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby awareness » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:01 pm

thanks notsure for compiling that for us...

:| that is so sad what RM's said... obviously the Meeks & Sharps had become close friends. It really boggles my mind when I read eye-witness accounts like Mrs Meeks that B & M were never charged.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby Magnum PI » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:33 pm

Interesting info by Richards Mom! Her ex sees Marty burning shoes with the leaves! ? Richard over hears someone saying he saw M&B and a man in Uniform? And they were talking about Sue! When someone says uniform they are usually referring to LE or Military! I don't refer to a postman as a man in uniform. My question is, were any of these statements even mentioned to or by LE?
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby TREELAND » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:52 am

Could the bloody sack containing the hammer seen by Marilyn been the large paper bag Dana was seen carrying the previous day? That bag may originally have contained pajamas, toothbrush, or whatever for his sleepover at Cabin 28. It also could have held his diabetes treatment supplies. Maybe the hypodermic needles seen by Wade were Dana's. Also there could have been two hammers involved, the one left at the scene and the one in the bag possibly the one Marty said was taken from his porch.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby 7Scarlet » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:43 pm

I didn't know where else to stick this question.. :shock:

How old was Charles Meeks in 1981, and was he questioned at all back then, or would he have been too young?
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby ache » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:08 pm

I think Charles was a year younger than Wade, so I'm guessing he was about 18 in 1981.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby TREELAND » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:22 pm

Forest service workers and rangers also wear uniforms. UPS drivers also wear a outfit that is referred to as a uniform and security guards wear clothes that look similar to LE. The term uniform is subjective to say the least.

And don't forget Boy Scout leaders uniforms.....Just kidding.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby dmac » Sat May 16, 2015 4:11 pm

Here's more of Mama Meeks' posts:
Judging from how these posts are collected (without a cklue as to who she's replying to or the contexts of many of her remarks) I'm guessing it was put together by MK.

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Richards mothers posts
Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: circumstantial evidence
this is to keddie r r.......i will agree that the results on the posts are circumstantial evidence...how ever i don't think so as to some of them being "fairly general".....i know i have stated that i didn't have any knowledge to the night of the murder, and i don't....however there are things i heard and witnessed be fore and after it took place...these things weren't told to me by other people [through the grape vine so to speak] i was there
if and when you get the time i would like for you to read some of them again.....to me, these things aren't fairly general
3 suspects....nov.18
some one besides craig...nov. 13
...............".....................nov. 13
...............".....................nov. 15
there are many more
not many people have thoughts like that running through their mind....not that i know of any way......
aren't you the person that said you were raised in a christen family, and things craig were saying about children, was against all your beliefs??? well i too was raised in a christian family[my grandfather was a preacher] and i to feel that way about marty....things he said and the way he acted....to many things points to him, i fully believe he committed these crimes.. maybe i am wrong but i need the proof to be convinced other wise


Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: circumstantial evidence
you wanted to know what richard has to do with this case and why he is so i-rate about it

well look up and read site"for richards mother-an insight for us" post nov 8 ...maybe it will help you understand

if you did ,you can see the sharps family and the meeks familly was very close....richard and jonny were like brothers...put your self in richards place...to have this kind of friendship, closeness, suddenly ripped out of your life forever, was totally devastation for richard....he was young, and couldn't handle the hurting and loss very well...in fact i almost lost him..he seriously considered committing suicide himself...

they say time heal...it helps but forgetting NEVER...now after 24 yrs this has come up again and all the hurt returned....to hear a person,such as craig, drag the families through the mud, infuriates him. ...craig, who says he knows so much and knows so little...this person who claims he knew our families so well...i was there too ...you know, i don't ever remember of him coming over to our house...i don't remember him at all...and i knew all the kids they run around with...so where did the closeness come in....

any way EJ that's why richard feels like he does toward craig....i don't approve of all the name calling ..on either side, but i can understand...on richard side.

Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: let’s get real
well not stupid...just unnecessary

my post above richards mother

to graig...i used to read your posts....not much anymore....it's the same old thing, over and over and over again...THE BEATING.....one would think the only thing of importance that has happened in your life was that fight... and that happened 24 yrs ago....how lone can one feed on something that tribual...i'll bet ever man, or girl that you or i know has been in a fight at one time or other... it's hard for me to believe that something like that can dominate a persons life for that long....a waste of time...if you would or could, put as much energy towards positive thinking as you put in that fight, you would find out there is another kind of life out there....and just maybe a lot better one, one you could coupe with and be happy.

ho yes, the disable bit....God made you that way, accept it......and the teacher bit.......what happened, happened, and it can't be undone....realize it wasn't your fault...the world didn't stop turning over it...so let it go

back to the case....what does the notorious bike ring have to do with it...nothing i can see.....

in fact i can't see much of what you have posted has any new barring on the Case ....every thing you have said was brought out by some one else before you made any statements....however this new evidence that EJ says you have, arouses my interest...and i will read your post as long as it don't get clogged up with all the other past garble

Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: circumstantial evidence
think it is essential and a good thing....if used right and it usual is, it is to protect peoples rights..and for crimes such as this...or any crimes...etc....without some kind of law , this old world would be in a state of chaos...however, sometimes i think other events or things come into play, and hinders it...such a politics. money or lack of ...and i think there is such a thing as bad cops, cops who let what power they have go to they're head and uses it to they're advantage..right or wrong. not all or a lot but just a few bad apples

i think that's what happened in this case...not so much bad cops. but lack of experience, politics and lack of money..

Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: let’s get real
guess i'll have to explain

any body who knew my family and have made statments about the partying, both neg and positive, are probably right.

when we moved here, my children [in the group] were preteens and early teens...we lived in a house down town Q.....we were there when we met sues family, and became friends....i guess you could say we had parties, there was always a lot of kids at our house....it wasn't just jonnys , sheala and richards friends but sue , tina and the boys were usually there. my sis and hubby often also....the adult usually played cards, the kids played games, just hung around or did thing that kids do to amuse themselves....there was no booze [once in a while sis and hubby would Bing something for themselves] i don't drink nor did sue...so there was very little liquor brought into my house...no pot ... no drugs....

however i did have two other children, wade and charles, they were older...high school and collage age....their friends were older and they did older things...girls were in the picture...i'm sure they did their share of drinking and probably did the pot thing...how ever being as there was the adults and all the kids at home , they spent there fun times else where....and besides i wouldn't have let them bring that stuff in the house around the kids......the house had a bed room up stirs, that was their bed room....and lord help any little kid if they went into that room.....same as most families where there is older kids with younger siblings...

lived in that house about 1 yr, maybe a little longer...then moved to E -Q....the whole tribe went right along with us...
same fun and same rules applied there......the difference being the older boys bed room was in the back of the house an had a back door to the out side... hence the back room referred to ...so some times they would bring some of their friends home.....we had probely been there for 7-8 months when the murders were commited.....after that things started changing...the kids got older and the parties changed some what ....not real bad, nothing i would be ashamed of.

time to go to bed



Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: let’s get real
yes i think everyone has the right to voice their thoughts they could and should be able to ...i have no problems with that..what upset me is....

i probably knew this family better than any one else on this site [other than sassey] i knew their personalities...their life style of living..likes and dislikes...what kind of activities they were involved in...what they liked to do for past time...over all how they lived day by day.

i know this because ..our families were very close..i would say 90% of the the waking hours and many of the non waking hours. ..one or more are all us was together...and even if we weren't together, we usually knew what the other family was doing....this is why i get irritated at people who insinuate things that i feel so strongly is incorrect...such as, sue being a drinker..selling dope. seeing many men... or having wilded parties ... jonny inviting some one over for some beers at his house. or the kids out running the streets at night etc.....i know better...

these arn't just incinuations ...they are just out and out lies...why? i don't understand

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: let’s get real
jonn supposedly was at the revolon station the evening of the murders, as this kid claims ...and jonny asking him to come over at his house to have some beers...others claim jonny was planning to go to okland camp for the big drug party....somethings wrong with this .....can't see him going home for beers and then going back for the party....know sue wouldn't have allowed the beer thing..if the party thing was planned they wouldn't have even went home...
i know sue and family, including jonny and dana, was at my house until 6 pm..when she left she was going home...make since???

this knife fight about marty....some one said it took place on the night of the murders.....know he was taken to jail over a knife fight, and wade was in jail at the time ..marty yelled at him....wade went to jail 1-or 2 weeks after the murders....haven't gotten hold of marilyn to find out just when marty went....was there 2 knife fights] not likely

marlin and i were talking about the bloody foot prints at the seen of the murders...i was told they were sues....could they have been tinas in stead...both of them were small people???

Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: let’s real
yes the police, FBI, talked to me, a couple of days after the murders, they came to my house.....i told them that i thought marty had done the killings, and why.....because of the way he talked about sue, tina, and the way he was talking and acting when he came home from reno....of having to get back to keddie to finish something he had started....i felt the police just shined me on....i think they thought i was just backing marillyn up...that she would say any thing against marty because she was so unhappy in their marriage and i was siding with her.....that's not true.... when i first heard about the murders, he came i my mind.....and when he got back from reno, the bazaar way he was acting and the things he was saying ...kind of quenched it....did then and still does...

another thing, i don't understand why every one thinks that tina run out of the house at the time of the murders,,.....i wish i had a lay out of her house....the front room and the kitchen were beside one another....the hall way joined them right in the middle....in order for tina to reach the front door, she had to go all the way threw the front room to get to the door....same as the kitchen....the door had to be closed, to do this would have taken time...the killers had to have been in the front room or kitchen....i think they would have stopped her before she got to the door...i would if i had been them...taking a chance of her yelling or getting help...and this blanket was found in the hall way, no where near the either of the out side doors.....



Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: let’s get real
I have been trying to get hole of merilyn, ...i know she is in the process of moving, and is probably pretty busy....will keep trying......I did go over and talk to her a couple of weeks ago.....we spent several hours going over the site....didn't cover it all though.....while doing this several things were brought out....will let her tell you about them when i can get her on the site..........one thing that throws me though...her words ...after justen was taken out of the window of sues house, he was just sent home....no police or FBI accompanied him...was by his self...now this kid had just witnessed these murders, and even if he did not, just to be sent home alone...???....she said when he walked throug the door he told her that every one over in sues house was dead..she told him not to joke about things like that ....his answer was 'NO MOM, THEY ARE ALL DEAD"..marilyn said she had talked to justen a couple of weeks ago....he told her he tried three times to go into his house....the first 2 times he backed off...she ask him why... ...HE SAID BECAUSE HE WE AFRAID THEY WOULD BE DEAD ALSO....

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:26 pm    Post subject: let’s get real
she didn't say any thing about where marty was at that time....maybe out side burning shoes.???

Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: let’s get real
understand what you re saying.....sure he was talking about his mom and little brother....then ...don't know...was marty are bo there... had he heard them say they were going else where ...your guess is as good as mine....we will just have to get hold of marilyn...opens a new can of worms ..hu

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: lets get real
i know when we heard about the muders, i call marilyn, she was afraid to stay there...so i told her i would pick her and the kids up ...we did, wade and i...we didn't see marty or bo at the time.... could they have been at Dees ...later on that morning marty showed up at my house to tell marilyn he was going to reno....i know , jim,,my X, went to martys house and he was out in the back yard burning some mans shoes in a pile of leaves...had to have been the next day., time wise....he said the police cars were still there ...maybe the shoe thing was one of the things marty was so insistant on getting back to keddie to do....somthing he had started and had to finish

talked to wade today he said he ws taken to jail about 2 weeks after the murders....marty was already in jail at the time....

also taled to him about the van ...he doesn't remember any thing about it,,,,neither do i....marilyn said the same thing, she does'nremember a van being around there ...

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:17 am    Post subject: let’s get real
you know iread and reread all the things in the post....and there is a lot of openions as to who is guilty of these crims....most of what is said is speculations..guessings, maybe and what if....from everyone, me to, and thats ok, the way it should be......

most of what i go by though, is things i have heard or witnessed.....i think marty is guilty, and the others, probely

however there are a couple of things that don't seem to right to me....one has been brought up before

1. on the composative drawing, bouth men have t=shirts on....marilyn says marty was wareing a suite that night.....

i brought that to her atten. she said he used t=shirts no matter what he was wareing.....sounds stuped that they would take off their suite tops.....so who goofed, justen or the artist, if it was the artest putting in what he/she thought was right, what about the faces??

another thing....wheather it was on the flim or if mayilyn told me , don't know, but somewhere i saw or heard justen said he didn't remember any thing about that night....well he remembered to do the drawings [maybe]...when he went home he remembered every one was dead over at sues house....and also frightened that they may be dead in their house.....he remembered how to show casey how to knife on someone and how to blocke it...strange......when did he forget what he remembered? ......not until he went with the police for hipnocises...just a thought

Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: where is everyone at
hello again...been gone to phoenix ariz for the past three weeks.....didn't have the chance to get on the site....doesn't seem like i missed any thing....

Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:08 am    Post subject: soooo why so quiet ya all
I don't know when sammy saw the boys at ganser park....i do kmow that sue the whole family and dana was at my house until six pm...they had to have ask if dana could spend the night early in the day because i knew he was to spend the night with jonny ...know they had been at my house for a while before sue left......richard and walter had ask me if they could spend the night also....and i had told them yes.....for some reason richard and walter desided not to go.....sue left my house at six and it was still light out side....i was standing on the porch saying good bye...i watched ALL of them get in the car including dana and drive away....it has always seemed odd to me....there had been no mention of the kids going to a party at okland camp ...and i think sue would have said something about it.....i wouldn't have told my kids they could spend the night if i knew they would be going to okland camp....and i can't see sue leting them go either....i'm not saying they did or didn't go...i just can't understand when and where the boys leave their mother...i thought they all went back to keddie......if this had been planed by the boys then i would have known about it.....why did the boys go all the way back to keddie.... when or if sue would have let them go][i don't think she would have l]....doesn't make sence to me......

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: blueskyes
frist, to the new people that have joined this site....i am richards mother...my family and sues were very, very close....as close to being family as can get...we spent 3/4s of our time together.....and when we wasn't together we knew pretty much what each other family was doing......

i also knew marty, bo and merilyn.....i and my oldest son and merilyn went to collage to gether .....we had a class together and did a lot of studing together......sometimes at our house other times at marilyns.....that is how i met marty and bo.....and creg, the frist time i met marty, i didn't see a evil or chilling person......in fact i thought he was reather a nice looking man......only after i got to know him and lisson to the the vicious , wicked and sick thoughts that went through his mind and voiced in my presants, and to who meny of them were diredted at..did i draw the concution that he had a part of this muder......again to you new people, i don't come to this conculsion just by what he was saying....but at that time framed around the muders, i was very much invloved with bouth familes, there was so meny things that happened, things that point directly to marty....[creg has stated meny of them]...i wittnessed most of them and stated so on this board several times......i think their were three people that did the muders....marty, i would bet my life on....the other two. i'm pretty sure of...

this is not a new therony on tina.....some where in the past post, i brought this out......i do not beleave she was the main target for the killings.....but being there and being a GIRL,.....even a very young minded girl and very imature body for her age....she was a FEMALE.....i know how marty felt about a femiles....i heard him make a statment once, and it was about tina, [IF THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED, THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO BREED]...and she wasn't that old ..i told him she was just a young child and he made some off the wall nasty reply to me.....sick....sorry to talk like that but that was what was said....

i think that at the time the muders was taking place ......when they got through and left. they took her and used her until they didn't want her and then killed her......i don't think she run out of the cabin ...i think she was sustain..tied up or what ever....though rage, or revenge, or hatred...i believe they thought it was a good idea to take her.

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject: blueskys
was my understanding that the three younger boys were [b]aslewere asleep in the bed ...i think the two younger boys sleapted through it alll....juston got up and saw what was happening...i think he knew the killers... went back into the bedroom and put a chair under the door knob...they tried to open the door....there were bloody hand marks on the out side of the door...if the thing about the love boot did happen [somehow i have my doubts] then maybe he was dreaming and thoughts about saving sue did cross his mind.... i know when the boys were taken out of of the house thay were taken out throught the bedroom window.....i don't know when justen was suposed to have for gotten what happened....i know when he was sent over to his house that morning he told his mother that every one was dead in sues house....he remembered then .....when did he for get.....my thoughts after he was questioned by the peloice ....???hipnosis maybe///

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject: marty and marilyn’s relation to the sharps
there wasn't any theing between marty and sue....she detested him....i know he tried to get her to go out with bo several times but think it was through marilyn doing the asking......all of whitch she declinded....sue and marilyn knew each other they wern't the best of friends but spoke to each other when the opertunity was such ....don't think jonny or sheila went over to marty house any....know tina was friends with juston and went over ther sometimes to play with him....the younger boys maybe sometimes.....

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:15 am    Post subject: marty and marilyn’s relation to the sharps
i don''t ever remember marty going over to sues house......i know a couple of times when i was down at sues , and i had somthing to ask obout our class or just to say hello, she and i went over to see marilyn ...and marty could have been there.

Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: postings
dear Mr/mrs mp281, I'm glad youare here to be the judge and jouery to the way i write....i guess i should be happy that some one cares.....but you know somthinge i don't give a dam what you think....at least about me...i'm not here for your pleaser....it's true, i am the worlds worst speller and i will admit...when i was going to collage mayjoring in inglish, l i was married to mr webster....i was hoping that all that read my statments would have the intelagents to at least figerout what i was saying.....i guess not...i did have a spell check on my old computer, but i can't find it on this one...i do know this, people that judge another person .....like you seem to be doing , are pretty eliterate themselfs...take a good look in the merrow
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however i do find it enteresting that you could think that creg, richard and myself are one of the same person....you must not live here are even near here.... i have llived here sence 79 and almost any one who does live here, knows me and all my children...richar being one of them....it would really be nice if you found out the truth before you made statments like that ....have a good evening

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: sooooo why so quiet ya all
I don't know who you are and how long you have been reading this board.....i get the idea you think this big drug thing happened a week or so before the muders....not so, it was suposed to have happened the night of the muders ....i can't say yes are no, as i don't know.....you need to read this board from the beginning so you you can under stand as to what took place before and after the muders.....i knew [and do ] know the sharps family.very well...i also knew [and do] know the smart family.....a lot of things happened surounding that night that makes me question about the drug thing...jonny was one of my childrens best friends and [dana also]....in fact sues family and mind were very close....we spent a lot of time together....i never knew of jonny having any thing to do with drugs.......I do know Marty was heavy into heard drugs...several things happened involing marty before and and after the muders , things i witnessed, ...i know how he felt about some of sues family..think marty was high, on what ever, the nights the muders took place...and think he was one of the killers
Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:30 am    Post subject: blueskyes
i don't know anything about someone trying to help sue......it kind of suprised me when someone posted something about it not too far back....frist time i had ever heard any thing about ....don't know who even posted it.

Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: I was reading about a murder case in Canada
i don't believe a big drug deal had any thing to do with the muders,,,,,,i don't think there was any plans are targets made before the muders,....i think that night, marty and his friends, was on a trip from using drugs.....when he got into a fight withe the owner of the bar, probely mad at marilyn for not getting sue to go, and sue herself for refusing to go out with bo....[knowiing how he felt about women] he was very angery......i believe when he and his friends were out side the back door discusing the situation, of how and what should be done about a female like that ....his thoughts escolated from anger to deadly....think in that state of mind the plans were made of what to do and were carried out

Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:09 am    Post subject: sooooo why so quiet ya all
there will be no war words with me...i will not arugue about anything i know nothing about.....all i can say is....i met sue shortly after she moved here...her family and mine became very close...we spent a LOT of time together until the muders happened........i probely knew them better than any one else on this board.....all during this time i was around them, i never ever heard are saw any connection to jonny [or dana] having any thing to do with drugs in any way....i also knew sue wouldn't have stood for it...ofcourse parents doesn't always know every thing....but friends usually do, and richard and laronda were jonny and shealeys best friends...and they would of told me ore sue...dana i didn't know that well but he was around a lot of times.

if by chance it did happen ...then why with marty...marty didn't like jonny, hated him as merilyn has put it,..so i'm sure they didn't hang around together.....so when did the boys have the chance to steal their drugs???

and tina....my thoughts....well there were bloody footprients ....they were smalll.....i was told they were sues but were they...sue was a small women so i don't know....also tinas blanket was found in the hall....the hall entered right in the middle of the house between the front room and the kitchen. no where near the front or back door....if she had walked in on what was happening maybe she didn't have a chance to scream or didn't even try...you don't know how a child would act if they walked in on something like that....her mothers mouth was taped up her have could have been also....as far as the boys seeing her,,,,i was told the two younger boys slept through the muders....justin went out of the room and saw what was going on ..i think he knew who the muders were, he went back into the room and put a chair under the door nob..some one tried to get into the room as there were bloody hand marks on the out side.....when the boys were taken out of the house, they were taken out of the window...

as far as tina being out side or even at a friends....i knew sue well enough, that she would not have let her are the younger boys wander around after dark.....and at this time of year. it gets dark early...just my opion

Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:58 am    Post subject: new information
it's is sad a person comes to such a low in his life, that they feel suicide is the only way out....so sad.....meny a person has cone to such a point, myself included at one time,....if onlly they would or could reach out, just a little, some where, some how, a door will open to help.

you know, if this person had of left a note admitting to taking part of the muders, it would have been ok..at least it would have helped in our quest, as to who done it......may not as to why....but bring a little bit of closuer

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: I was reading about a murder case in Canada
the news paper didn't have that infro in it... sassy made that statment to me early in the investagation.right after they found tina's remains... that the investagaters had informed her of it.....later she said . she doesn't remember telling me that, but at that time so much infro was comming down she didn't remember all of it , that she may have said it....LaRonda was with us at that time...she also remembers sassy making that statment.... so draw your own conclution...

if marty did take her , that doesn't mean that tina was up at the falls all that time ,,,he could have taken her with him, , or one of the others could have had her..and taken to the falls later...just my thoughts

Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: sooooo why so quiet ya all
I know the next day after the muders...i went out and brought mariyn and the kids to my house.....later wade [my son] took her back out there to get some close to ware....while they were there , they went down in the basment....he said there were drugs needles laying around every where.....i'm not much up on durgs....so which one do they use needles with????

Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject: Vietnam vets
before the muders......i don't know how much more.....but marty had are all most had a mental brack down.....he was taken to a vets mental inhstution.....that was where he met bo.....

Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: tina, where she fits in this
you know ...this makes more common sence than i have heard in a some time....do you all remember i was telling you ...that the day after the muders, marty stoped by my house...merilyn was there...to tell us he was going to RENO to get car parts... was around 10 or so... and how bazzer he was acting when he got back...[was real high on somethong]....was back at dusk 5=6...only marty came into the house, when they were going...but there were two other people in the car, bo and dee....wade talked to marty a min, and he understood they were taking bo to the vets hospital....the state marty was in when he came back alone and no car...comming from a hospital ???...tina could have been in that car hid..and maybe they didn't go to reno...maybe that trip was to feather falls.....marty cr one of the others could have known someone up there...and left tina there...this makes fairly good sence to me.., better than any thing else ive heard so far...

Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: tina, where she fits in this
thats a good point......this onlllllllly came up several months ago....i was tell wade about the site and made some coment about marty was going to reno to get some car parts,,,he sid he understood they were taking bo to the vets mental hospital in reno

another thing .......was also telling someone about the site,,,and what had happened......when i said going for cars parts, he kind of shook his head and said that was and old saying .....back then, when someone was going to get drugs they reffered to it as going to get car parts....i never heard of that,but if they did, he would have known.

Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:45 pm post subject: I was reading about a murder case in Canada
i was just reading back on the post and i run across yours on mar. 27....some how i messed it .when you posted it....i don't know who in the hell you think you are...who are you to judg and incenuate on something you don't know nothing about ..... it isn't any of your dam bunisse are any one elses either...if she had a love life....apparenty ypu don't know her or you wouldn't be saying things ..like i read.....it's a pretty low life person for any one to state something like you did or even to plant a seed as to spread that kind of romer toward amy young .person girl or boy......it's no wander every one wants to quite this site....it's because of things like you....hasn't sassy had enough trama in her life that you have to add to it....sassy if you do get back to this site, don't pay an attention to this garbage of a person .... and to you mr. shitamachi , your name fits....your nothing but a piece of shit....sounds like somthing marty would say ...same kind of a dirty mind ......sorry people i don't like low lifes like that

Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:23 pm    Post subject: to sassy
sassy honey.....if you do read this site ...i just read what this shitamachi was incenuating about you....i had not read it before.....just egnore what he said, it's not worth it....sounds like he's is one of thoses young older men that looks at young girls with a dirty nasty mind....sounds like marty...another sicko....hold your head high and don't let people like that get to you ....i know what kind of girly you were as does most people on this board.....love ya ....nina

Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: I was reading about a murder case in Canada
thanks for putting me in check.....iwant to apolagise to you and all you good people out there but i got so ngery....when i was around tinas age...well 10...one of those younger/older men...40 or so...manage to get hold of me...when the truth came out, his excuse was ...well she wanted me[sexually that is] yea right1...wrong!!!....not such a good foundation for a kid that young .....usually has a bad affect on them for years. or maybe the rest of their lives....

thanks again grandson ....andi will try to keep myself in rein from now on

Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: to sassy
protecting some on.....no.....trying to stop this....no.....and maybe i came on to strong... like i said i don't think sassys love life was, at that time, yours or anyones buniness...it was my impression from your posts that maybe she was atracted to and maybe came on to an older man {marty] was redickulous and uncalled for...

Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject: to sassy
when is this mermoral suppose to take place and where and time......tue. or wed i am giong to carson city to spend easter with my family up there...so i don't know if i will be able to make it...but i relly would like to...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject: to sassy
sweetpea ...please don't get him started again....

and to you creig,,,,,i would like to meet you.....i hold no gruges.....sure youve said things you should't have but havent we all...if you say somethig i desagree with, or hurt others, yes i probelly make a reply to you....only because i know if it is true or not......if it is something i know nothing about....you won,t get any argument from me......the only things i really object to is the nasty name calling between you and richard....and he is just as bad as you are.......

Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: sooooo why so quiet ya all
know what you mean creg....asto having proof.........i will say this,any thing i hve said on the post saying i have saw or heard,...there were other people presant......they heard and saw the same as i........other things i have said as to what i think may have happened were just thories.....and usuallly with good reason,judged by what i HAD saw and heard..... no proof though

Wed May 03, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: catching up
hello every one.....i'm back from my llittle vacation.....have some catching up to do....reading the post and have a few things to say....will go by the post as when i try writing some times me or my bird hit something to wipe it out and have to rewrite it all over again...so i'm doing it a little at a time

a few questions for gypsay2......

usuallly i have a very open mind about things......but i think mary did these murders...and no one will convince me other wise......until they can show me the prooff.......gypsaey you know, some times when i was at your house how marty would say nasty things about sue...AND TINA....you were there....your remember that crazy man that came to my house, suposely from reno....acting like a caged animal [high on somthing]....how he wanted me to take him to keddie....that he had to finish something he had started...and it had to be done that night.....we listson to that crap for 2=3 hours ......and when i wouldn't...he left sometime around 4 o'clock in the night....you remember how marty stood across the street from my house...[several nights,] ...that night, and jim set by the door all night, with a gun across his lap... that jim had went out to see marty the day after the murders and saw marty burning up a pair of shoes, justens i suspect ......no open mind as far as i'm concered...sorry...

Thu May 04, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject:catching up
others
wade was friends with dee lake and his frist wife, mona.....he did not like marty....the only reason he went over to your house, gypsey, was bcause dee would go to there and wade would just tag along.....

matters of the heart...

to david....craigs "wounds' as you put it......happened several months after the murders, when he got beat up.......he was not a close friend of my family......he didn't hang around with sues or my family, never.....he was a friend of my daughter and her husband....never at my house......

gypsey ..... when marty came to my house the day after the murders, there were 3 people in the car, marty, bo and dee lake....he told you he was going to reno for carparts.....he told wade he was taking bo to the vets mental hospil ....when you and wade went back to your house later that day he said you and he went down to the bastment , there were needles..[drugs]..all over the place.........i don't remember if justen was at my house the day of the murders

i'm sure juesten did see what was going on at sues house......he saw who was doing the killings....he went back in the bed room and put a chair under the door knob......there was bloody smers on the door, where some one tryed to get in...

when the men came from sack.or so they told me...to my house to quesstion me ...was after they had taken justen away...i ask them what justen had told them....they replied with ' he thought he was having a dream about the love.boat......that they couldn't get him hipmotised deep enough to get much out of him....i think thats a bunch of bunk...he knew who did it and they messed his mind up when they hipmatised him
i think it should be done again but by some one who knows what they are doing....

i don't think tina was molested before the murders,.....but i do think she was taken for that reason......i don't think marty went to reno at all. but think they may have taken her to fether falls that day and left her and maybe bo there...one reason, you donn't get high like he was at a hospital....

wade was tzken to jail about 2 weeks after the murders.....not on a dui but for reckless driving....marty was there. ..he yelled at wade saying 'you know what happen to the others, and i can do it to you....

it's late and i need to get to bed. ... will do more tomorrow

Fri May 05, 2006 6:35 am    Post subject: catching up
gypsey2 if you remember right jim had went woodcuting with marty a couple of times privious to the murders...i think that may have been the reason of hm going out to your house that morning....i don't know if it was before or after we knew about the murders.....they didn't go wood cuting ......when he got home he told me that there were cop cars all around sues house....that marty was outside burning leaves and there was a pair of men shoes in the fire....i don't know if they were justens or not

you and wade went out to your house [i didn't know blaine went with you] ...... when you got back you told me that there was a bloody hammer and a sack with blood on it down in your basement....i ask wade about this a couple of months ago he said he didn't remember hammer but did recall that there was hypo needles laying all over the room ,,lots of them...

when joush was makeing the flim, sassey was down here also....she was allowed to go through the room at the ploice station where all of the evadences of the murder case was.....it was on a report that justen [or soneone] had put a chair under the door knob in the room where the kids were.....and there was bood smered on the outside of the door...like someone had been trying to go in there

have you had a chance to go back to keddie, you know, i will take you if you havdn't gone yet, just give me a call

Fri May 05, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: catching up
matters of the hearts i know of no one that was aggressive towards sue...know she had been ask several timesd to go out with bo, but don't think there was never any aggerssivness, not until the murders, if that was indeed apart of the motive for the killings...

and david...what is this "how someone can have their best fiernds family murdered..the shame..and creigs wounds.....

if you are incenuating what i think you are......don't even go there

and yes, richard was the father of sheilas baby....but there was no shame...not on my part nor sues either ...they were just kids, mistakes were made.....i'm not saying it was alright but there was never any hatered or resentment between us over it....yes i was disappointed..i wanted to keep the baby and raise it until the kids were old enough to take responbitlly of her themselves...but that was not to be...was sad
and criegs ....he wasn't around

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject: catching up
you had to have been there when jim went out there......i didn't go and get you and the boys until after i heard about the murders......i think it was just wade and you the frist time you went back out there...and marty was in reno... i don't know who moved you out but i think it was a day are two later that you showed the police the cub house.....laronda also agrees with you about the boards being pulled up

Sun May 07, 2006 2:09 am    Post subject: catching up
my son has a computer and i did get on the site a couple of times while on vacation....and if you notice i don't log ot most of the time

im not hiding behind any body.....i just don't think it's any ones business..about our personal life.....it didn't have any thing to do with the murders...so why do you say that

Wed May 10, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: catching up
do you remember frist time i went over to your house to look at thise sites.....the ones that are missing.....something was in there about tina's school project..{the shoe box]...you told me it was over at your house that tina had took it over there....that it was on the table....you don't know what happened to it...

Wed May 10, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: were was tina
gypsey do you remember when i frist came over to your house.....we were going over the board that has came up missing......something came up about tina shoe box....you told me that it had been over at your house setting on the table.....you didn't know what happened to it...

Wed May 10, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: shoe box tool box
the shoe box was a school project for tina at school....gypsey don't you remember when i came over to your house...we were going through the part of the boards that are missing.....something came up about the shoe box ...you said that it had been over at your house tina had brought it over...you didn't remember what happened to it



Wed May 10, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: shoe box tool box
the shoe box was a project tina was doing for school....gypsey remember when i frist came over to your house....we were going over the posts [the missing ones] ....something came up about the box...your said that it had been over at your house...tina had took it over there...that you don't know what happened toit though

Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: meeks and sharps
good mrning all....need to say some things about thiese post.....crig yu were right one one thing, the meeks and sharps were very close........however 'a few points '...tina was a friend. part of the family .....she didn,t run with the little pack...{sheiela, jonny. walter. laronda and richard}....she was too young tp run around with them,or so they thought.....she did go with them sometimes...depending on what they were doing........
as far as you being friends.......i am sure yor knew bouth of our families, and was around them at times, but i don't ever remember of you being at my house or sues house.....i think at that time you were more of a friend with monty.....know when we lived in quincy proper...monty wasn,t in the picture much either....it wasn't until we moved to east quincy did he strted coming around.......they started ' going together' so to speak of.

to marlyn ....where does this hot tempered stuff come in?...i am probely one of the most kicked back person you have ever met.....also laranda, walter, and wade...charles and richard not so much of haveing a hot tempter but they didn't back down either .....i don't know any thing about the falling out with craig and the kids, but i know why and you know why, you and i did.....not going to bring it up as it has nothing to sue or the muders some things are pravite and no one else, business....when i frist talked to you about comeing on this site, you hoped there would be no hards feeling between you and me...i told you, what happened a long time ago, was in the past and and things turned out for the best any way.....it shouldn,t even be brought up ....you agreed with me....marlyn you brought it up. not me...i think enough has been said about it ....

Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: meeks and sharps
richard i know that you knew what happened between marlyn, wade and me....i didn't really want you talk about it.....was parvite
i know there are a lot of new people on this site,,,,,,i will try to come on it later ......to let you know what i know about the muders how i feel about it and why i feel that way

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: meeks and sharps
no craig it wasni't any one in my family.....as for kinderlin....she a little older than that' ...she wouln't stoop that low

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: meeks and sharps
ii can't see whaere the sharps were so close to your family.....i know tina was friends with justen...and she lilke you and would share things with you.....but sue...she didn't like marty or bo...she would have never went out with bo......she would have never been friends with them....with you, yes maybe on speaking terms..but i can't see her going over to your house spending a lot of time there

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: getting back to the facts
all i can say..you must have been real confused........on the morning after i found out of the mucers.......i called sues house [she did have a phone]....one one answered her ph....then i called you.wade was very concurned about you ...i ask you if you wanted to come to town....you said YES...THAT YOU WERE AFRAID TO STAY THERE..AFRAID OF WHAT MARTY WOULD DO TO YOU AND THE BOYS........WHEN I WENT TO PICK YOU UP YOU TOLD ME YOU WAS SURE MARTY DID IT.....YES . I DID THINK MAYBE HE DID IT, BECAUSE OF WHAT I HAD HE DID AND SAID BEFORE THE MUDERS BUT THERE WAS SOME DOUBT ALSO BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WAS VERY UNHAPPY WITH YOUR MARRIGE AND WANTED OUT OF IT......ANY WAY YOU COULD GET OUT OF IT........... IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER HE CAME HOME FROM RENO, THE WAY HE ACTED AND WHAT HE SAID ..WAS WHEN I WAS CONVINCED HE DID IT....DID THEN AND STILL DO.....

Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:26 pm    Post subject: running
yes marlyn and keddie were right ...the dogs were not brought in right after the muders.....it did rain...they brought the dogs in a couple of days after the the muders... by then there was no scent,so they said....why they brought the dogs in from out of town was redicklious.....the surch and resacue has tracking dogs right here in Quincy????

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: getting back to the facts
no craig..this was right after the muders..

to guest....I don't know why....but this is what i was told to me by marlny....the shireff said that he was a suspect...but if they took him in and didn,t have enough evidence to make it stick he could get off shott free and couldn't be tried again,,,
another thing the county didn't have enough money to afford a big trail....and then told him to leave town.....you tell me ...doesn't make sence, does it

marllyn you know why wade so so concurned about you....he cared so much... to the point he was in love with you...i reallly don't to carry on this sub. it had nothing to do with the muders in any way.....and it brings up a lot of hurt to all of us i think we shoud drop it....

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:16 am    Post subject: real suspects
this is the frist time i have read these post.........after geting over being dumb struck........i didn't know weather to leaugh or get mad........they were so far out ....desided it wasn't worth reacting to.......on the might os the muders.....i don't rememer if wade went out or not........know that he was home the next morning...and there wasn't blood on him and he didn't look like he had just murdered three people and tina wasn't in the closat that i know of.....get real people that wasn't funny.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:19 am    Post subject: what i know
when i frist was ask to come on this site i wrote of all i know and how i feel and why i feel the way i do........some where down the line i think it all got deleated.....i know there is a lot of new pelope that probely didn't get to read it ...so will write it over
my family...we moved to quincy 79......it consisted of....myself, wade, charles, richard, walter and laronda......no father figer at that time,,,,,,wade enrolled in collage and talked me in to doing so myself for my ged........charles was in high school......the others were in jr. high and greade school........just an ordenary family......ofcourse i thought my kids was pretty good ....just like any mother does........

iwant you to know i am the worlds worst speller....so hang with me and try to figer out what i am trying to get across to you..........and other thing......i am not a computer whizz.....so i am going to put it on several post.....because when i type something..i read it over and high light it......often , punch a button and erase what i wrote and have to do it all over again.......not fun.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: what I know
sue familly cosisted of ....herself, and five children,,,,,sheila, jonny, tina and the two younger boys
sue was a quite women...and pretty private. to most people, about her home life........she was a calm women, i don't ever remember her getting real mad , screaming ore yelling but manage to get her point across quitly but firmly......i think she had a good personaty......and was fun to be around
sheila.....was a sparkely young lady.....not a girly girly but more of a tom boy......
jonny....nice looking kid.....happy go lucky......well like...., respeckful to others
tina....a very sweet child,,,,,small and emature for her age.........
the younger boys......well they were just part of the family.....where sue went, they went.......

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:26 am    Post subject: what I know
my kids met sues kids at school, they became frinds.......through them i met sue.......and we became friends......we had a lot in common......the kids, things we like to do......like playing cards , camping, or just being together...the more we were around one an other the more time we spent with eachother......it became ilke one big family....at most any given time.....one, two or all of us was together....i often think back to the good times we shared,,,,,,it makes me sad amd very angery that evil stepped in and took that awau from us......

Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: what I know
wade and itook a class together at the collage....mrlyn was in that class also...we all desided to get together and study ....
several times we went to her house....this is how i met marty and bo....he was one of the nastyest and velgurest man i have ever met........he did not like women....and had no respect for any them are any one really,,,they had no name, he referred to them as bitches, sluts, c**t, whores are any things of that nature....severl times sue came up in our conve sations, his statment...all he could say about her....she need a good man refurring bo or himself could fit the bill....the age of a female made no difference.......i remember tina came over to his house when i was there.....when she went out the door, he made a nasty commet about her ...i told him "she is just a little girl" his reply IF THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED , THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO CUT...and laugh about it, guess he thought it was funny... OTHER TIMEs I HEARD IF THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED,THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO BREED.....you know, a person has to be pretty dam sick to talk or think like that....every time he referred to the female ......it was always very derogatory...i can't recall every thing i heard and it was a lot... but i think you people should get the drift .and marlyn, you were there and wade was there and heard all this ....bo was there also, he thought it was funny too.....he never said to much...just a nasty snicker at what marty said.....

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:49 pm    Post subject: what I know
i'm sorry ....i don't know that much about to do all the things you sugessed.....wish i did


I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OUT AT SUES HOUSE ON THE NIGHT OF THE MUDERS....BUT IT WAS SOMETHING HARRIBLE......HOW COULD ANY ONE BE SO WARPED AS TO PUT THOSE PEOPLE THROUGH THAT MUCH.....IT WAS EVIL......

that day, sue and the family had spent the whole day at my house.........dania was there also, not sure of justen......she left the house a 6 in the evening, i remember loking at the c'lock....you know it's funny,,,,usually when she left my house , it was, see you tomorrow and i usually just stayed in the house...for some unbknown reason when she was going down the stepts the thought crossed my mind that i did say goood by to her...i got up and went out on the pourch and told her good by, watchd all of them get in the car and drive away.....strange...that was the last time i saw my good friend

Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: what I know
the next morning, i got a call from laronda [she stayed out at keddie with a friend, suie, who lived down the hill from sues house] she said something is wrong at sues house, there are cops all over. i tried to call sue but no one answed the phone....i called marlyn...she told me that sue . jonny and daina were dead and tina was missing....i don't remember how i felt...i don't think my mind could coupe with it...or acepted wht she was saying. remembered she sounded up set....i ask her if she wanted to come to town....she said yes, that she was afraid to stay out there so wade and i went out and picked her up

little fill in...a couple of months before this happened, i had taken a trip to phoenix......my ex came back up with me, he had met marty, and they had gone wood cutting together...they weren't friends per say but, i had the truck and marty had the saws...so we were kind of helping each other.........plans had been made to go that day.....jim went out there and he found marty burning some leaves out in the yard...when he got back he told me marty was burning some mens shoes with the leaves.....

Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject:
the next day, just around dusk, marty was standing across the street from my house........that night, jim, my ex, set by the front door all night witha gun across his lap.......he never said any thing......but that told me he was afraid of marty also........for about a week r so , marty would be across the street,off and on.......finally the police made him stop it.....i never saw or talked to him again.......

what happened those two days, , i did not make up......there was jim, wade, MARLYN, her kids, me, my kids all heard and saw this

about a week later wade was at a dance in tailorville.....when he left the bar he was stoped by the police....they took hin in for reckless driving.[not a dui]......marty was in there also [for kniving some one i think] when he saw wade he yelled at him, ,,,i got her and i'll do the same thing to you.......

severl yrs later, richsard had to spend the nigjt in jail...don't remember why dinnking in pub, i think.....the police brought another person in...he was high on drugs, he was put in the cell next to richards. with another man.....he could hear their conversations.....the talked turned to the keddie muders.......the guy said he knew all abou it,,,,,he had been at the bar out at keddie that night,,,,,said he walked out the back door, marty, bo and another person in a unaform were talking about sue and what they were going to do to her, how and why..... i don't know who this person was, but richards knew

Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:27 pm    Post subject: what I know
i know what youare saying, i understand

this may not be the best answer, but it's all that i can offer........my house was in total cacoas that day.....i learned my best friend had been murderd,....the kids were histerical and crying.....i was beyound that ....in shock i guess....every thing was happening so fast.....needing to go out and pick up merlyn....seeing the police around sues house....her telling me, marty did it,and me knowing the same thing,yet not so sure.......ii couldn' and did not want to believe what was coming down........later when marlyn told me about the hammer and sack...{i have stated i knew marlyn was unhappy with her marrige. and wanted to get a way out of it, any way she could} ...the thought crossed my mind ....maybe this is the way she can get rid of him in her life....then thinking why didn't she tell the police about it......maybe i was doubting her.....and thinking if they are there the police will find them.....why i didn't ask wade about it at that time , i don't know....the mind doesn't always funktion in a resonable manner under such condistions

i don't think marty was turning on me when he was stalking the house but because martlyn was there....

Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: what I know
I never heard any more about the hammer and sack.......if they were really there, it has never been brought out to the public....

when marty came back to our house that night from reno.......i thought he had done the crime....simpulley from what he had done and said about sue or any female. pirer to the muders but i guess there was still a little doubt.....by the time the night was over, THERE WAS NO DOUBT, it wasn't that he was violent......he didn't threaten any harm to any of us.....mostlly what he was saying about he had to get back to keddie and what he had to do or finish and the wild look he had....his family was there and my boys and jim was there......i wasn't afraid of what he may do that night ....but what he might do to my family later.......can't tell you why any of us didn't call the police.....

when richard was in jail....the man said that saw marty and bo and another man were talking outside behind the bar....no it wasn't a police unform was a army combat unfrom...will go into that later....

stromy didn't you read my post abot marty before the muders/.........what he thought about women..any female...no matter the age.....i know he had ask sue to go out with bo several times ..and she fefused him....i would bet he thought, sue thought she was better than them...and he would have been right,,,sue did not like either of them....as far as tina, she was female

Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: what I know
I am not a young chick......havn't been in a long time.....ihave known a lot of people in my time...good and bad....

i have known men, and women, who have made statmentts like that...99% it was said in jest......i'm not saying it was the nicest things to say.... but people are people.....it's that 1% that i have trouble with.....and to me, marty fit in that catacorey.....it wasn't just those statments that i drew my conclutions on but the other degreading things that were voiced over the time i was around him....and there were meny.....things that were said not in a laugher Haha way, but reather in a leering , sexual way......i think he belived what he said...ALL...females were put on this earth for was to be used by men any way they wanted to use them.....there was no respect or value shown toward ANY FEMALE....in any way....

Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: what I know
I did talk to the police....an FBI person and another man came over to my house the next day to talk to me...and this has always puzzled me.......i felt like they were just shinging me on...like it didn't matter what i had to say...or they didn't believe me.....and i don't know why....the only thing i can think of , was they thought i was good friends with merlyn and i was takeing her side.......maybe they knew she wanted to get away from marty and i was trying to help her......they never ask any one else that lived with me, if what i said were true.....

well that is not so....and marlyn will verify this...we were not good friends ,...we didn't not run around together....the only relation ship we had at that time was our school...witch consisted of meeting to study our class together....they never contacted me again.....

Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: what I know
your guess is as good as mine.....i just don't understand or why

well people i have told you pretty much of what happened close around the muders and how i was involved with it....these were facks....there is so much more more that i did not cover....some facks and some are my own thoughts and thierys of what took place and why ....the only way i could cover all of them is when i see others posting .to bring them back in my memery.......or answer questions that people ask......

Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: tinas body
ii think DMac was right...i believe tina was taken from the cabin....either to the play house for a little while or most than likely just stright to the car.....

remember my post.....marty came by fairly earlly the next day in dees car....going to reno, for car parts or to take bo to the vetren mental hosip.....i don't think they went to reno at all....i think they went stright to father falls.....and left tina with some one up there....the reason i.think that is , when he came back, he was very high on something..drugs.....you don't get that kind of drugs from a hospital....

i was talking to a friend here awhile back... about the muders and drugs...he informed me that,.back then when you were going to make a drug run...the code was going for car parts....no merlyn you were not the one that told me that....

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject: what I know
no i don't when the police shearch marlyn house ....it had to have been after because marlyn and wade ha already been to her house...... it wasn't a knife..but a hammer

ask merlyn ....she was there when the police talked to me....they also talked to her at the same time. they treated her the same way....

ibrought her and the boys to my house because she was afraid and thought they were in dainger of what may may happpen.....if it had of been you or any one else i would have done the same thing.....

Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: tinas body
dee lives here in quincy... he works with or for the chriss center

he was one of the frist people we met when we came to quincy...at that time he didn't have a job...but was going to feather river collage...he and wade struck up a frindship. for a while...he has been to my house memy, meny times...and i to his...he and i used to set and talk a lot....i thought him to be a very intelagent person and enteresting to talk to..i liked him ok but thought him a con artest...then then and still do.....i knew his frist wife mona,i liked her also...

i know he was a heavy pot smoker...used it like you or i would cig...a couple of packs a day....we talked about that once ....he claimed to be an adicted to it...i told him i had heard you couldn't become an addicy to pot...but he said he was...

i know he was a good friend to marty...i didn't know marty at the time.....wade went with Dee to his house.several times.....wade did not like marty...but because dee went there wade would tag along some times....

Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:34 am    Post subject: tinas body
you know guest...it's ematerial to me if you believe or not...yes there are some people who know all, are part, of that what i said is the truth....i say part, because they wern't around me ALL the time......i dOn't know if they read this board, don't want to get invloved or are just CONFUSIED??...I KNOW IT'S TRUE, AND THATS WHAT MATTERS TO ME.....

Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: tinas body
well i'll put it this way....if i say, i think , or believe ,,..a give a thoery of mine, doesn't make it true...however i think it is the most logical reasoning in my mind.... but when i state it's a fact...it is what happened...

Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:33 pm    Post subject: tinas body [dee?]
wades and friendship cooled off quite a while before the muders....probely when he split up with mona....they still talked but mostly just greetings......did not run around together any more.......no i don't talk to him much we don't visit each other...when we happen to meet, hi how are you......that's about it

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: what I know [coverup question]
not that i know of......remember in the flim gramburg said the police work was pretty shoddy

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: tinas body
if so ....they are taking there low sweet time about it....25yers....and counting

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:02 am    Post subject: tinas body
I don't know if it ws dees car......is was jus a car to me........think to was silver color ...not sure

tina could have been in that car DUH!...she could have been down on the floor or even in trunk..where she could not been seen...

no dee wasn't any closer to walter than any of my famly and that was only when he was running around with wade...whitch was a while before the muders........

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:42 am    Post subject: tinas body
do you reallly think if what i said could have posably be true ,,,that after the muders and tina was taken ...that she would have been setting in in one of the seats so the whole wrould could see her....use your comen sence.....the guys weren't that stubid
Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: tinas body
beg your pardon ???? i never said who was in th car.....know marty was as he was the one who came into the house...i just said i saw the car.....wade said it was marty and bo and thought the thired person was dee......as far as being as me being scared shitless...shell i laugh now are later.....the only time i ever said i was sceared was when marty came back to my house that night........you need to reread my post over again

Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:13 pm    Post subject: tinas body
the only other ime i ever used the word scread was when we went to pick up marllyn right after the muders...she said she was afraid to stay there ..i didn't say it

Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: off topic
I was told by jim and wade both that marty ,bo and dee sued hard drug sometimes ....this was before the muders even took place.....and marlyn also told me marty did...weather she doesn't remember are was confused or what ever...this was also before the muders happened

Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: lighten the load
ok craig....lets clear up the beating thing or try.....stoney and his brother was the ones who did it....facks...you have made the statment that stoney [and myself] lived in ariz mabye we knew marty from there.....not true....i live in phoenix...this was in 73 i moved to a little town called cottenwod ...about 125 miles from pix....there i met stoney and his family, he was around 10 or 11 yrs old......the kids became friends,... stoney , like jonny, practickly live at my house.....i lived there for 2 yrs, then moved back to phx.....we lost contact with their family....i moved to quincy in 79....

one day LaRonda and Walter was up town quincy and stoney walked up and ask walter if he was walter meeks.....yes this is a small world......they had just moved here .....this was about 4 months after the muders.....he did not know marty ...ever.....

the beating....quite a while after the beating....i talked to stony about it....he told me, that you said or did something to or about his sister,that was not so nice...,,and i believe him....he didn't tell me what....he also told me he did not toutch you....that darron [i think that was his name] was the one that hit you in the nose...hit you a couple of times...you, yourself, said the same thing in one of your post......and let me tell you, if you had said anything ,or done any thing like that about or to LaRonda, any one of her brothers would have took you on......

you say you went to the hospital almost dead......i'm sure he broke your nose.....but if you were in that bad of shape, THEY would have called the police, you wouldn't have had to....and i understand they wern't even called in on the insadent......

Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: lighten the load
also, stony told me that he has never used drugs, not even pot.....richard , his x wife...and others have told me the same thing,,,how ever he is or was a drinker......i haven't seen him for a while now......

Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:48 pm lighten the load
hold your cool Craig.......i did not say any thing bad about you...you need to reread my post again.......the facts were, when i frist met met Stony and his family and when he showed up in quincy...around 4 months after the muders......i don't see how he could have known marty.....

the other......i don't know when you got beat up.....the frist time i heard about it was when i came on this site........i ask stony about it.....what i wrote is what he told me...doesn't make it a fact...but i believe him.....you tell me you are kind heated and you would never sayor do any thing lilke that.....and i believe you......but i will tell you this.......i have lived quite a long time....and i have yet to meet a man ,or women that has NEVER said anything shady or did anything shady to the opposite sex at one point in their life.Expecially when they were young and foolish. ........When or if I meet that person I will feel that I am in the presents of a saint. And personally I dont think you fit that bill. Your a human being, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE.
You seem not to decied why you got beat up all those years ago, I am just telling I was told and understand what happened. I want everyone to know also. This is as SIMPLE as I can get. and I can get down to a 6-5-4 or even a third grade level.

NO, I dont think Stony had ANYTHING to do with the murders.
I really dont apperciate you threating me.

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:40 pm off topic [posted under guest]
merlyn think back,... you, wade and i took a class together at FRC....thats about the tiime i met you...if i'm not mistaken it takes about 3 months to comclete a unit.....bo was lliving at your house when when i met you.....you told me that marty had almost had a brake down not to long before then......that was when bo came home with him......

also didn't marty lose his job the night of the muders....fighting withe onwer???.but did not marty leave quincy about 2 or 3 weeks after.the muders.....you say you went on welffare AFTER he lost his job....i don't remember.....it had to have been after you stayed with me

you know marlyn i really can't understand where you are coming from......when we were taking classes together, you and i and wade spent a lot of time talking.....mostly about marty....of how unhappy you were and how bad you wanted to get away from him.and you didn't know how or what to do about it....of the way he treated you, and the boys....how he used other people....and things he did that wasn't so nice... you told us about a lot of bad things that had happened in your past .....and when you lived with that indain, think his name was father joseph....we cover a lot of ground in those conversations...
.this is why wade felt about you the way he did....he really cared about you...and your boys.....he fell in love with you....or thought he was any way.....he was the one that ask me to go get you after the muders and if you could stay wisth us till you could square your life away.......and i agree because you need help......a little while after you were there , all three of us talked about you guys getting married.......he was 19 yrs old and you a lot older...i pointed this out to him....but said if that was what he really wanted to and would be happy... i would give you my blessing...he even went inlisted in the navy so he would have a way to take care of you ......and marlyn you did cheat on him severl times.........this was when we had our falling out

i didn't really want to bring all this up....it's over and past....but you don't seem to remember all thiis stuff.....and when the muders happened you were so sure that marty had done it...but you also said you were so confused that you didn't know what was going on......who took you out to your house...what or when you moved, things like that, lots of things...... now you clame marty didn't do it....sure of it....every thing is christal clear............i just don't understand your thinking

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: off topic [posted under guest]
i was told by jim , by wade , by dee and you that marty used drugs....and this was before the muders....you said all you remember was what he did in phoenix.....well none of these people[ exect you] knew him in phoenix


and craig you were right.....dee was his contact....several times wade went with dee down the canyon, to orverville, they stoped in quite a few places in route.......and it had to do with marty and drug dealings......nothing was brought up about faather fallup.....

Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:46 pm off topic
post merlyn do you remember ..july 15 at 9.30
to merlyn and craig
to all

these wee posted under guest and they were mine


Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: off topic
my post merlyn do you remember facts not rumours

Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: justin and the composite sketches
about blood on sues shoes........she wasn't waring shoes....there was bloody footprints ....if so sue had to have been killed after the boys.........sassy told me this after she had been down to the police station and had went through sues room that has all the evdince in it....

Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject: off topic
I did not say it was gypsey that told me a drop was coming in on the train

Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:06 pm    Post subject: just a suggestion
I know what you are saying and understand , the only one thing everone on these post agree to is that sue and the bous were murded and tina was missing....it was a terible and visious act....WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.......but

you have read my post......and i am talking about my post only....no one elses......i made it very clear that i know nothing about what happened at that house the night of the muders....how ever i do know things that happened before and after it took place......things that i feel had a great empact on it.......and any thing i stated as being a fact, is true ....i had witness that saw and heard the same thing i did....weather they admit to it or not,is another story.....but
.

i know some of them know what i say is true..others that know me and mine, bellieve me.....then the others that post , that don't know me or know only what they read about, or is not fermiler to the area and the people that live here...may are may not believe...and that is ok too.....and that doesn't brother me......


usually when i give a thiery...it is what i believe is probely true and also why i think that it is....yes it could ore could not be true.......people can make what they want out of it.......there are a lot of other people that state things they think is true, and maybe they are right, maybe not ....sometimes what they [and probely myself] .sounds so far out that it's hard to believe.....that is when the bashing and arugments are brought out.....[t's not fun to lisson to] and we come to a stand still except for the accusations...what to do aboutit ....o don't know

Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: off topic
some of them were under guest....i had not loged in and that is why they came undf guest

my post was
merlyn doyou remember on 15 at 9;30
to merlyn and craig

i don't understand that from the very begining ....you were so sure that marty did the muders....and bo...same as i.... before the muders ...when i went over to your house..several times......i heard the things he said about sue....about the degreading things he said about women..all women .even young girles.....the remarks he made about tina.....and merlyn you were there , you heard them also and so did wade and sometimes jim.......

after the muders......all the things that came down you were so afraid to stay out at keddie , afraid of what marty might to you and you children...so i brought you to my house.....when marty came by after he had suposaly went to reno....you know he was high on drugs.....the things he was saying of what he had to go to keddie for to finished somethiing he startted,,,and he had to go that night...,,,a lot of things up add up merlyn. the boards in the play house..the suits that came up missing, the burning of the shoes the day after the muder...the needles in the basment ,,that you don't remember, because you were so confused that you ,didn't really know what was comming down....,the list goes on and on....

now you are saying and is sure that he didn't have any thing to do with the muders....that he didn't use drugs... meny people has stated he did [and just the meekses not just craig] even you told me he did...several people that knew him has told me he was a dealer..... again not just craig.......come on merlyn how could you not know??? so why and when did you changed your mind ...even in your last post to craig you said quote; i was inder ,martys thumb, he and dee had anything to fear from me. i didn't ask questions, was not a snoop. I just let things slide by TO PROTECT MYSELF AND MY CHILDREN........protect you and your children from what???? an enasent man,,,,,well i thought he was guilty then and i still think he is....i just don't understand your reasoning......

there is other things you wanted to understand about the post i wrote,,,i don't want to write any more tonight.....will get back to you on then

Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: off topic
gee mrllyn seems as if your momery only emurages to fit your perpouses ...like the pink suite...at frist you thought he was burning it, now he is wareing it .....and there was no blood on it either.....well just maybe he or they, just went down and took a dip in the creek.....good as any answer....when you got up after they had gotten home, they acted very normel.....like good little boys...


lets just say there wasn't a murder that night......this same man who [so you have told me] gets very mean and nasty, when he gets mad....that night he had a big hairy fight withe his boss ...got fired from his job...went home and called her on the phone to carry it on then left to go to who knows where back to the bar [maybe sues house]....went back home and when you got up they were just setting ther cool, clam and colected.......sorry i don't buy that for a min.

i have heard of dope being brought in by the rail way...i just hadn't heard about that night ......you said it didn't stop maybe so....that it was just droped while the train was moving......

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:15 am    Post subject: just a suggestion
wade marlyn and mysef took a class together.......the classes are 3 monthes i'm pretty sure...... this was when i met merllyln .....bo was living with them when at that time....she told me about mary almost having a break downs and it was about a month befor i met her

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: just a suggestion
yes sue did have a phone....as far as i know she didn't try to call me that night

i under stand there were bloody foot prints, form some sourse, that had walked arouond in the rooms ....the police said they were sues....if so then she had to have been lfter the boys ......unless they were tinas

wade went into the navy on feb 14th.....velentines day

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject: dee lake
I want to make this clear......i do not know if he had any thing to do with the muders...... but can give a little infro..about him

he and wade became friends, ...right after we came to quincy ....at that time he wasn't working any where ...was going to FRC....he has been over at my house meny meny times....and i have been to his.....i knew his frist wife, mona,....i like him o k found him to be a intelagent person ...we use to set around and talk a lot.....and yes he did smoke pot ...all the time...like a person who smoked cigs..[a couple of packs a day] and he was a con artist..big time

know that dee and marty were good friends.......know several times when he went over to martys, wade would tag along....wade did not lilke marty....and didn't go very often......know wade told me that marty and dee and bo would use heard drugs sometimes.....he said that at times they [he and dee]would go to ovrville, they would make meny stops along the way....these were for marty and they invloved drugs.......

yes he did ware fatigues a lot......most of the time.....

he was at the lodage the night of the muders........the person that was in jail, that richard over heard, said when he went out the back door there was marty, bo, and some one dressed in fatigues.....were talking of what they were going to do to sue....

wade was pretty sure that the thired person that was in the car when marty went to reno the day after the muders, was dee....

I have been told there iis a police report, that there was bloody combat boot prints in the caben......this has been brought up before....some one made the statment,...a lot of men wore boots...logers, said several others, don't remember what....so they checked into it.... found out that the service isused at that time were diff from other boots, something to do with the soles i think......does any of the older people on here remember?

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: just a suggestion
don't think so ...think they were bare foot prints....police said they were sues...i thought they may have been tinas....

marlyn remember i told you ......when jim went out to your house the morning after the muders....marty was out in the yard burning leaves....and he was burning some shoes with them? maybe the police didn't take justins shoes ...maybe thoes were justins

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: dee lake
yes wade did know bo....he went out to your house aseveral times with me...and bo was there....

wade told me he has used hard drugs three times in his life....and it wouldn't suprise if it wasn't with marty or dee.... know he hasn't used them after he went in the navy...or sence....

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:34 am    Post subject: outside the box
does't souond like he was cool , clam and colected to me that night....

something else....when ...marty came back from reno...yes he was very high on somthing.....i think if he had gotten parts for your car he would have stated it.....no big deal....or told us he wanted to go to keddie to work on yuor car.......all i remember him sayingwas 'he had to get to keddie that night....had to finisheh something he started.....had to do it that night.....asking me to take him to keddie i refused to.....if i'm not mistaken ,,,i ask him what was so immportant that he had to be there that night......he didn't answer me.....just something he had to do that night had to finished ....2 or 3 hours we had to lisson to that..... over and over .he got around 4 in the morn and left my house......i kon't know of any macanicks that would work on a car under that cercunstances ... after all a big muder had just happen right next door....doesn't make sence to me,the car part i mean

Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: dee lake
dee was not in the milatary at that time.....he was in the army reserves

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: dee lake
your right it was the national guard

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: where are we
your wrong, sue had been ask several times to go out with bo,....she told me that herself...she didn't like him so refused

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: tina where she fits into this
sue lleft at 6pm
Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: dee lake
well i can't see any one in a pink or blue suite wareing combat boots

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: things that don’t add up
you are right it was on the 12th that marty said he was going to reno....i have my doubts about that......

Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: outside the box
if the boys had stole the drugs....and i donpt think theyt did...do you rfally think they would have tole tina...are even sue for tha matter

Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: dee lake\
now you know if there had been a stranger there that night....someone in army cloches....people would have known it...small town stuff.....i haven't heard of any......on the other hand dee wore them all the time...no one would have thought any thing about it....

when richard told me about the guy in jail.....who was with marty and bo..and someone in army clothes...we figured it was proberlyl a army buddy........we all talked about that on the board and the blooby boot prints.....when some one came up with maybe who ever it was mite be in the resevers [national guard] dee was the frist one that came to my mind ...

marlyn doesn't remember much about that night,....her memory seems to be confused on a lot of things

Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: things that don’t add up
jim went out to martys house before i went to get marlyn....he said there was a lot of cops at sues.....had to see marty burnings the shoes, after 8.00 ....i would say between 8.00 and 9....i think i picked up marllyn around 10.00....wasn't long after that marty came to the house, going to reno ....i would say maybe 30 min...as best as i can remember ...this was all on the 12th

vallly fever you can bring up any post you like i still think the same thing now as i did then....

i never saw bo after they came back from reno...don't know what happened to him.....when they came by on the way to reno ...wade said;there were two other people one was bo and he was pretty sure the other one was dee

i still say there were 3 people in on the muders

Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: dee lake
you think that i am placeing my judement on what what that guy said in jail.....well i'm not......when i set in his living room and lisioned to all the trash that he was saying about sue...[about all females]....and the remarks he made about tina.....has to be a pretty dam warped person to say things like that......you can say all you want to about the male thing....but if he is saying things like that, he is thinking things like that....

what really made me believe it was him that did it was when he came home from reno...the things he was saying about having to get to keddie .i didn't think he was high on something, i know he was highon something

so meny things fits.... like what marlyn said befor she changed her mind.....that she thought he did it...the burning the suits she never saw them again.....jim saw him bringing shoes.....what he said to justen about the muders....him standing across the street from my house...seeing wade in jail saaying he got her and he would get him......the needles in the basment...it just goes on and on.....the guy in the jail was only a part of it

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: outside the box
well gee marlyn,....i'm only going by what YOU told me right after the muders.....when you got back from going to your house ...you said that you and wade went down in the basment and there was a claw hammer with blood on it and a sack with blood on it....and i wandered then why didn't y0u tell the police....i guess it's because you didn't see it ...hu

vally flyer...marlyln told me that tina had brought her showbox over to her house, that it was setting on the table...if that is true...then the drugs wouldn't have been put in the showbox...if there were any drugs
Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: outside the box

well gee marlyn...i don't really know what to think...when you and wade came back home to my house YOU TOLD ME YOU AND WADE WENT DOWN IN THE BASMENT AND YOU SAW A CLAW HAMMER WITH BLOOD ON IT AND ALSO A SACK WITH BLOOD ON IT ...i always wondere why you didn't tell the police.right then...guess it's becaue you didn't see it...hu

vally flyer....marlllyn told me that tina had brought her showbox over to their house... it was sitting on the table....if that be so the drugs wouldn't have beenin it....if there was any drugs...

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject: dee lake
she told me one time after you guys had ask her to go out with bo.she said you had ask her before but she didn't like bo and didn't want to have anything to do with him ...yes they did knw sue maybe not very well but they knew her ...she and i had been over to your house several times

got a question for you .....when did our class start that we you , wade and i took wday or month? wasn't it the last part of dec..or early jan?

you came to my house because you were afraid marty would come back and hurt you and the boys...you also told me about him burning something in the stove and it smelled like material..but you didn't know what it was......you also said you never saw the suites again....then in one of you last post you said they were wareing them .....come on marlyn...

no blood on them....maybe my statment about them taking a dip in the creek wasn't such a bad statment.......you said you came home and went to bed ...asleep also.....just maybe they came home quitly , took a bath and chaned clothes before you got up...

and when he came home from RENO ...in your post jul.28th you said you remembered most of what i was saying.....now you say he was antsy...i don't know what your defenshtion of antay is ......but it sure didnt fit this mad man that was paceing around my house wanting to get back to keddie,so he could finish that he started.and i had to be done that night...and it sure wasn't to work on your car either

you know, if your confused or not, doesn't have any thing to do with how i think....and you are right, i don't see any other possibilities, not with what ive seen and heard and know........

Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: dee lake
my own thoughts....i think they bound and gaged tina and put her in the car that night.....the next day when they said they were going to reno..i think not but took her father falls instead.......i don't think they killed her either ust gave her to someone up there..to do with her, god only knows what....

salem...what does a man look like that has just murded 3 people and kidnapped a child?...a man that has put a shotgun to his wife,,wanting to do somethin bad to his dad or grand dad..whichever...he was also a gang member [one of the big boys] in phoenix at one time....i don't think he would have much trouble covering his "antayness"

marlyn came to my house because she was afraid of marty...i'm sure she didn't stand up to marty and said you did it...i don't know if she even seen him that morning.....why shouldn't he stop by and tell her he was going to reno....

i don't want you to get me wrong,,,,yes she was in shock...we all were....when i call her that morning..she said she was afraid to stay in keddie, so i picked her up and the boys....at that time she was sure he did the muders ..and it wasn't because of us that she was saying that i think she really belived it...can't say about her feelings....but we covered the daybefore of all that had happened...of him being mad at sue, fight with his boss, the bruning of the clothes..every thing you have heard about.......that night when he came back to my house...she didn't say much no one did he did all the talking....crazy talk.....and blieve me before the evening was over, all of us were afraid of him....and it didn't stop, every time we saw him across the stree watching the house,things got tence

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:36 am    Post subject: dee lake
you are wrong salem ...i am not squabbleing with marlyn....i'm only stating as to what i know what happened ....i'm not trying to put marlyn down.... nor would i try to hurt her in any way...i just just can't understand how her point of view could change so much....what is the reason....she wittness and heard the same things i did as they were coming down....at that time..[probely even more so]....?????
and richard ...get off of it...when i brought marlyn to my house ...IWAS NOT DOING HER A FAVOR....she was a person who needed help...and i was there....i would have done the same thing for any one else...and you know that...so don't say things lke that ...she owes me nothing....

i don't think she was afraid of me or my family.......i think she was ashamed o face us, after what happened later...had nothig to do with the muders and i have said to much about it already...it is a parvite matter...

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: dee lake
thanks for awnering my question.....if we started the class in jan....we did study together, at frist it was at my house then we was at you house once in a while....when i frist met you bo was living at your house...you told me that you had taken marty out of the mential hospital a month before i met you....that would throw bo comming to live with you in dec...add it up marly...he had to have been there more than two months....

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:29 pm    Post subject: things that don’t add up
again i will say....if we started the class at FRC in jan....this was when i met you....bo was living with you then....you said marty had gotten out of the menteal hospital about 3 week or a month before i met you....again add it up, bo had to have been living with you about 4 mon....dec, jan, feb, mar, and part of april....

and about dee....when i frist met him, he was in the natinal gared....but he was not working any where....he was going to collage the same time we were....i know becaue at that time he would come over to my house a lot ...i don't know when he went to work for the vets job ...but it was after wade and he quite running around to gether

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: dee lake
I think it was in jan.....thats when i met marty and bo...when wade and i went out to you r cabin....no you did not live in the apretment at that time...we went out to your house a couple of times to study....but didn't do it much because marty and bo were there.....you moved into the apartment after the muders , ,after you had been staying with me for a while

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: outside the box
ok something just wasn't adding up right....so i called wade.... when marty was in reno....the day after the muders, you and wade went out to your house to get some things you needed, ...no police were presnt ...you bouth went down in the basement...this was when you told me you saw the hammer....wade said he didn't see it but something was said about it....he saw the needles....you got what you wanted and came home to my house....again he said there was no police invloved at that time.......

you remember you thought blaine was with you.guys....the next day or two .....you, wade and blaine went back out there to get your things...that was when the police went in with you and shearched the house.......

and guess what.........little mister marty had to get back out to keddie ....had to finish something he started.....had to do it that night....and about 4 oclock in the morn he left my house........and i would bet my life he went out there and removed all the evadence in your basment and any thing else that may tie him to the muders......this is why the police didn;t find any thing.......

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: things that don’t add up.
was my understanding.....sue was on the couch...jonny was in the front room on the floor....and dana was in the kitchen....it looked like he was trying to get out the back door

if the police records were right......sue was killed after the boys.....there were small bloody footprints where she had walked around....this is what the police said.......i thought they mite have been tinas......

i think justin saw the whole.sean..not just a peek.....he new that it was sue that was killed and not tina.....he knew they were all dead in sues house...or so marlyn said....

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: dee lake
I don't think darrel lived in phoenix...or was in any gangs..i met them in cottonwood AZ. think they moved from there to bullhead city......

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: things that don’t add up
I go along with you about the composites.....you know about justins memory, if through hypmatoies, one can bring out...what he saw, one could have also made him forget...... i ask one of the fbi men who was questioning me....what justin had said....his answer...oh, we could n't get him under deep enough to get any thing out of him....just sumething about the loveboat....always seemed odd to me, because he did remember it was sue that was killed,...and every one in sues house was dead, tina was down by the river....and then all of a sudden after the hipnoseis...he couldn't remember any thing....

Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: innuendos
I guess i'm not talking about the same darren you are talking bout...mine is the one that suposely beat crig..up..and he did come from arz...he and his brother were to old to be in high school here...don't remember his last name...he or thet lived in cottonwood , not phoenix

Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: dee lake
i'm not sure we are talkng about the same darren.......some one else said they knew him in high school....the darren and stony i know was the one that got into it with craig.... they moved here after the muders.....i knew them when they lived in cottonwood ariz...they were to old to go to school here....darren was the only one that hit craig....stony didn't.....i don't know their last name...can't remember but i don't think it was welsh......

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: outside the box
the father was cleared......if he came here it was after the muders.....

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: outside the box
again.....if there ws a stranger in the bar, other people would have known and several people said it was dee talking to marty and bo.......and why would he have taken tina ......she was found in feather falls....i don't see the conection....

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: things that don’t add up
no they didn' tell me the time of the deaths ..that about all they said to me is what i wrote....

sassy was the ne that told me about where the bodies were....she didn't say any thing about danas leg being taped to a chair


Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: outside the box
I didn't say any thing about dee taking tina....i was refuring to the childrens father.....some one said he would have taken tina.....if so why or how did she wind up at father falls ...no i don't think so

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: outside the box
you know....if the pollice would have followed up on the things that came down at the time of the muders, i believe this could have been sloved at the time...things that marly stated ....before she change her mind ...things that i saw and heard, should have been looked into...because every thing i have said as to be a fact, i have had witness to back me up

as to justen, i agree he should be questioned......if he doesn't remember, then they should get some one withe a little more experaince than D thomes to hypmatise him,....he does know more than what he is saying and i know he does....

Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: the move from quincy to keddie
martys brithday was the day of the muders......yes he was walking the floor and yes HE WAS WIRED OUT OF HIS GORD...THIS WAS THE DAY AFTER THE MUDERS....and he left my house about 4 am ...yes he had somthing to do or finish and it sure wasn't going to a party...he had already had his party....and had to get back to clean up after it.....and .i don't know how he got to keddie........

hi bloodhound..nice to see your back.....

and sweetpea, in a sence guitar is right ,this is something that you and every one on this board that didn't know the people invloved... you can't and never will be able to be apart of it.......you can only be apart of it through what you hear from the people who were invloved in it....you wasn't there to hear the nasty things marty said about sue and tina....and what he thought about females in general......you wasn't there to see how he acted when he come home from reno....and what he was saying......you wern't there seeing him standing across the road night after night knowing not what he mite do....you wern't there seeing his wife scard out of her wits.[even if she don't admit to it now] ....you have no idea as what the affect it had on every one invloved.......yes you can be apart of it..as to reading about it and resering and voicing your apentions....,giving us ideas that may help .... stearing up old memiories that may triger something important...and it is appreciated.............the name calling, insults and often lack of respect, what ever, doesn't help but seems as though we have to work around that.........

Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:46 pm    Post subject: the move from quincy to keddie
I don't really know who guittar is..i understand she or he is a friend of sheilas but i don't knw who most of these people are any way....

Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: the move from quincy to keddie
I don't know who gve marty a ride from my house or even if he had one....he wax going to hitch hike earlyer when i wouldn't take him to keddie.......he left my house about 4 am so marlyn said.....i had gone to bed

4 people were killed...AND YOU CALL IT A GAME.....I, OF ALL PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, I CAN'T BERLIEVE YOU SAID THAT TO ME...why should i have complained, i have always belived marty was one of the killers, i have stated that over and over again.....and i have good reason for beliving it....

as fr sue and the real insights on her life.......well, i know what she liked to do for fun....she had 5 kids.....what she looked like....etc......but thats not what yu want to know, is it....well i can't dig up any thing terrible and bad that woud be a reason for her to be killed.....i met her in probely 1980, what her life was like before that , i don't know......i know she was divorced, ....maybe she was a drinker at one time..if so it was long before i knew her...i never saw her drink any alcohal.....[thanks meekerat]....don't think she was a slutty women,...there was no men in her life while i knew her....i'm not a person to judge someone because of their past, but more so on how they treat me and mine......

Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: the move from quincy to keddie
I did not know marty well....i didn't want to....i did not like marty.....i onlly went over to his house was because of marlyn.....she, my son,wade, and i went to school together,,,,,we would often study together....and sometimes at her house.... these were the times that i was ever around marty.....this was the times that i heard all the trash that was said about sue and tina and/ or any other female that walked this earth....

as far as him having to get back to keddie, having to finish something he started......the way he was acting and what he was saying...this was the day after the muders....hellooooo, you bet i thought something was wrong.....why do you think i have always said, marty had something to do with the killings

Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:21 am    Post subject: the move from quincy to keddie
YES.. i talked to the police......they came to my house the next day.....i told them every thing that was comeing down...not only i told them but everyone in my house backed me up....me , my 5 kids, jim , my ex, MARLYN AND HER BOYS were in the house and heard and saw every thing i did...

Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: the move from quincy to keddie
I don't know why they brushed marty off so quickly....they should have been more thourell with their investagation....

guest 2......no marlyn did not go back to marty....she said she talked to him....i don't know when... i know she was very unhappy in her marrage to marty...and she was afraid of him....

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: accept it
I don't know who you are, but you've covered 'THE MEEKS THEORY' very well ....i truly belive that is what happened....this is what i've been trying to get across to thia beord for so long....it's been like beating my head against the wall....just couldn't understand why, with so much evidence against these people, they or police couldn't see it....and all the evidence didn't come just from ME......why didn't the poloce do their job and check into the case more thoroughly.......even if i had been wrong, which i don't think so, they could have done a lot more than they did.....

the only thing i have to add .....i don't think they killed tina.....thinked they used her to their sadisfaction and left her with someone at father falls who picked up where they let off..and later killed her

thanks exasperared guest for your post...it leaves me with some hope

Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: accept it
I don't know of any one saying that marty was so drunk that he couldn't walk stright......

but when the fbi came to my house to talk to us...marlyn did tell them that marty was burning something in the stvoe, and it smelled like clouth...she now claimes that we influnced her ...well we didn't on that point because i wasn't there.....she also told them that she was sure that marty was in on the muders....that she came into town afraid what marty mite do to her and the boys....in fact she said that before i ever stated that i thought he had done them....because i i wasn't convinched at that time that he had ....it wasn't until he a laughgot back from [reno] that i was sure.....how ever the thought had crossed my mind......

when i was over at marlyn and marty was trashing sue, tina came over.....when she left, he made a nasty statment about her ....i told him she was onlly a child...he looked at me AND STATED.....IF THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED, THEY 'ER OLD ENOUGH TO CUT and smerked at me and laughed...good old bo manage to get his laugh on that one to.......and marlyn and wade was there also.....wade said he use to talk about sue when he was up at the collage also

Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: accept it
what i said was the exact words marty said to me about tina.....i believe craig was the one that said he had heard of marty saying the word breed...regardless of which ever...he got his point over.....and there was no mistaking the the meaning...

this is what marlyn told me about a week or so after the muders......that decorna, not sure how it's spelled, or thomes talked to her in recards to marty being a suspect..and yes he was the main one they were looking at....but if they arrested him, and didn't have enough evidence to convict him, he would could get off schott free...and by law he could not be brought up again...even if they found out he did do the muders

another thing, that plumas county did not have enough money for such a high profile muder....they could not afford to take the chance of him being found inocent...even if it was a slim chance

does this make any sence to you people

Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: accept it [post followed above post]
and this was just about the time marty got kicked out of town..........

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:46 am    Post subject: accept it
you tell me...who has the most to gain by claiming it was marty or bo....and why

or who has the most to lose by eliminating them.....and why

Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: accept it
been away a couple of days...have cought upon the psot...there are sevral i want to bring up again

posted 24...carl frick..wrong..wrong.. wrong......not marty or bo....who has the most to gain by claming it was marty or bo....who has the most to lose by elimanting them.....
my responce....you tell me...who and why on bouth accounts...
carl frick. the question answers the question
sweetpea...are you trying to say that the finger pointers are the guilty ones...
guest...there does seem to be a small group monitering theis board, trying to manlipulate the marty and bo theory...

well, my goodness, Mr Carl Frick,......a light blub just went off in my head...are you trying to sugest maybe we have 6 new suspects.........that maybe a women with 5 kids could have been the killers...........and the irony of this, is she was close friends to the victums, [ a women with 5 kids]..........

i'm trying really to hang on to my dignity, so i won't even respond to your rediculas accusations...
you don't know my familly.....i have lived here in quincy sence 1979, and know a lot of people here, and who i don't know, my kids know.....if you came here and aired your coments, you would probely be laughed out of this town or be punched in the nose, depending who you were talking to...

and to guest....i don't feel that me and mine, are monoriting or controling this board....i am not trying to malipulate any one into beliving that morty are bo did these crimes.....all i have done is state what I believe... and why i believe it....all i have done was to give you the infro as to what i have heard and saw....if you want , or not, to take it at face value to believe me, is up to you.....

to who ever....manty was a suspet for the police from day 1
Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:35 pm    Post subject: accept it
one more thing...jessy, it has been brought to my attention that you at have went behind our back and sent e=mails or pm to others on this board that we maybe we had something to do with it because of the baby.....and have be caught lying about several other negative things about my family...now i under stand why richard got so mad at you....i think it was pretty low for you to do such a thing.....why didn't you confront us, instead of sneaking around saying stuff like that...sure lowed youself in my eyes....

Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: accept it
you know jessy i think you got the wrong idea of what i was trying to get over to you.......i do not object to you disagreeing with me about who did the killings .....you can have all the right in the world to do so.....it was just the way you did it....you WERE GOING BEHIND MY BACK ACCUSING US..........YOU SHOULD OF HAD THE GUTS TO CONFRONT US......YOU SAY WE LOOK GUILTY BECAUE OF THE BULLYING....AND CALLING NAMES.....NEVER HAVE I TRYED TO BULLEY ANY ONE TO BELIVE THE SAME WAY I DO.....I JUST GAVE ALL YOU PEOPLE THE INFRO AS I KNOW IT......LIKE I SAY IF ANY ONE DON'T TO BELIEVE IT ...THATS OK WITH ME.....NEVER...NEVER HAVE I CALLED ANY ONE NAMES ON THIS BOARD ..AND YOU ALL KNOW IT.....
YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T KNOW ANY THING ABOUT THE MEEKS.........IF YOU WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT US, JUST ASK AND I WILL TELL YOU....I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND NOTHING I AM ASHAMED OF.....ASPECIALY ABOUT THESE MUDERS ..IF ONE HAS TO LYE TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.....THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE SAID...AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A GOOD RULING.FOR YOU AND ANY ONE ON THIS BOARD AND IF IT IS DONE THAT WAY, MAKES THEM A PRETTY LOW LIFE IN MY BOOKS

Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:48 am    Post subject: accept it
you say.....
After all if it were my own brother of best friend that murdered these people I'd turn on them in a quick minute

well so would i......the big word 'IF' covers a lot of ground here........IF they done it........IF it was just a thought crossing my mind....yes i would ask questions....and yes i would step on some one toes ...but i would not go around spreading smutty things i found out about them [and every one has something in their past that they are not proud of] or make up lyies to prove my point.........and i feel this is what he done to my family.....you can do a lot of damage to a person by planting the seed of guilty.....even .if it is untrue. some people will pick up on it and spread it on to others and the ball keeps on rolling and getting biger as it goes.........so don't tell me he was right in what he did .....

i know nothing about this thing with josh and the money or this movie or the privateyof the e\mails....etc.... but is doesn't sound right either......

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: accept it
all i hear is 'prove it'........this i will say......i was never with marty alone.......any time i was in his presant at his house, there were witnessis....marlyn and wade were there and sometimes jim.........they heard the things that he was saying, same as i......when he came home from reno, so he said, there was at least 10 people there that saw how he was acting, and what he was saying.......what kind of proven facts do you need?....for marty to run down to the police station and tell them he did it.....never happen......

to all you new people......go back and read all my posts.....and you will find that just being rejected wasn't the only motive......in one of craigs post, he did a pretty good job of listing most of them..........while you are at it, read all of marlyns also.....of what she was saying as to what happened that night.....at that time it was fresh and yes she may have been confused, and i can understand why, but you will know the truth...........sence that time, she has turned her story compleaty around...why i don't know why, but i suspect someone got to her or she is trying to protect justen.......

i think justen is the answer to sloving this case.....i believe he knows and can idenify the guilty ones...marlyn says, he says he doesn't remember...and that maybe true....but somewhere deep down in his mind the answer is still there.....if the police really wanted to slove this, they would see to it that justn would get good perfestionial help, and not just some want to be, to bring it out......

Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:46 pm    Post subject: accept it\
nina, wade, richard, walter, laronda, jim, marlyn, justin and cascy
..1,,,,,,,2.........3..........4.........5.........6........7..........8.............9

woops i for got charleswas out at oldlen camp at the party....sorry therews onlly nine

Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: accept it
I don't believe you what you said.......i didn't say justin had any thing to do with the muders...i don't know how you could even think like that........I SAID' 'i think, he saw the killers and could idenify them.......i'm sure he was in shock and it may have prushed the truth so far backin his mind that he doesn't remember......i said they should get some real perfesstional help, not a want to be, to bring it out.......if it could be done, maybe he would be able to coup with his life better

i didn't say some one was after him.......when i said protection.......i was thinking of his mental state of mind...like marlyn said, it's pretty messed up .....and i belive her......who's wouldn't be after witnessing something like he did......i know i would be very concern if it had been one of my children.....

and krr don't talk and think like a little kid , it doesn't become you

Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: accept it
you are right...they all did.......i can see your point of view.....if you don't believe what i am saying...... marlyln and the boys were there too......they was not family......maybe she was confused on some things......but every thing was coming down at that time and she knew what was happening......she told the police she so ...do you really think she would have been lieing?..... even if she has changed her mind sence then,.......in one of her posts, she recalls of when he came to the house, the frame of mind he was in......

Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: accept it
comit 1...yea right!....wrong...

Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: accept it
comit 2....sorry craig

comit 3...how meny times do you have to be told before something sinks in....iv told you, craigs told you, sheilas told you richards told you, larondas told you........probely all of us seveal times have told you........laronda wasn't friends with craig when she was 12 [or so].......she didn't even know him when she was 12 [or so]....she met him when she was right at 15....through monty, her husband to be........they were friends......i don't think he was 21, more like 18..19 at that time.....even then she may have been around him, only because she was wth monty....and before you bring you bring it up, monty is about a year and a half older than laronda........

you either have a very thick head, or you are only trying to harass me.......i think it might be the latter......or maybe you are trying to get me mad....never happen........i have the pasents of jobe....you got to go a long way to do so.....all i do is conciter the sourse and feel sorry for you......

comit 4....maybe thats the way you are, not

Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: accept it
well......maybe love is blind sometime.... l'll meet you half way on hat one.....but deaf...nope...thats caused by old age, and i'm working on it....
Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: accept it
welll i hope we are on half way good speaking turms. now...i don't like the slaming each other

this is the only thing that makes sence to me.....and it would of fit......i don't think they they went to reno, i but took tina to father falls insead...and left her with someone there....i know he was very high on something when he got back to my house....you don't get like that when just comeing from a hospital.......they had to have been some place where there was drugs......

have a good night.....rm...... i didn't say i was old yet but getting there


Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: accept it
think it was around 10=-10;30 when they left the house that morn.......he came back alone right at dusk, or a ittle before....he started insiting i take him to keddie....i told im no.........in beween his statments having to back there because..and him acting so crazy i wasn't taking him any where.. he said he was going to hitch-hike ...iremember telling him, it was dark out sid and there was a killer out there and he shouldn't .........all evening this went on until late....

noi don't remember when we exspected him home.....one way or the other........but i would say 9 to 10 hours......you know he was doing something where ever he was at ...so you can't judge how long it would take him for the round trip...

Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: suspicious behavior
I know marty was under the influence of drugs, but that wasn't why i feel he was guilty.....it was thiings he was saying......

Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: fire walk with me [talking to krr]
I have never thought you were justin.......nor even hinted to such......if i had thought that i would have came out and said so.....as far as lying...and i believe you were talking about me......belvine what you want...i have no reain to lye

Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:13 am    Post subject: another old case
I disagree with you......i think if tina had been running free.....she would have went to someones house...if she made it out to the hgh way, somenoe would have seen her.......

i think she was bound and gaged like the others, and put somewhere, the play house, or maybe even martys bassment, any where, untill she was put in a car........maybe even put in a car at that time

Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: another old case
I am not trying to imply any thing....i think when justin said the four of us, he was talking about himself, caey, creag and tina.....i think they were watching the tv together......sue could have been reading, laying down, or what ever.....don't think he was including sue in the four.......i believe they all went to bed......then what ever happened, happened......by no means was i saying justin was invloved with the murdders

i think when she found out sheila was spending the night, she wanted to also., so she went over to askif she could too.....but i hink it was earlyer that evening........

as to why tina was taken and not killed at that time.......i believe it was for the obvious reaswon....you were talking about....this falls back on some of the things i heard marty say about her

and dee, i think you'er right



Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: fire walk with me
not always so......., people keep asking the same questions over and over again.......and i keep answering over and over again.....this doesn't mean i am lying................for instence.........

KRR...

i have said, several times of what i know about the door & chair......or where was my family was that day... same O same O

or where i threw my daughter being thrown into this....what ever thats means

for the dirty old man.........i didn't write that for your benafit .....thought i may help craig...and if you can't understand that.....i feel sorry for you...you have a very shallow mind...

how simple do i have to get with my answers, before you can understand.....i think YOU should go back and read the board

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: to the smarts
i am of the family that these people are speaking about......i have read your post, and my heart goes out to you.....it sounds like you have a very close and loving family.........i too have a family....i am a mother of 7 children, am a grandmother, and a greatgrandmother.....all of them who i love unconditionly..... i have a sister to whom i am very close to.....my two brothers and my mother have are no longer with me.....and i, like you, miss them very much.... so you see, i am no stranger to family ties.......

meny years ago i met a family, a singel mother, like my self...she had 5 children.....in the short time we were able to spend with them,...we became very close....i looked on them as my extended family......unfortunately, Sue Sharp, the mother, jonny, one of her boys, tina, one of the daughers and daina one of their friends, was brutally murder.......

i was all so aquainted with one of their neighbors, the smartt family.....marilyn, marty and her two sons.....i met marilyn while going to collage.....she, myself and one of my sons took a took the same class......we often studyed together.....several of these times we met at her house.......there i met marty and the boys

and you are right christina, i did not know marty....i was probely in his presence only 6 or 7 times ....i did not want to know him, i did not like him......he was a very disgusting person in my eyes ....

i want you and your family to know, i am not trying to hurt are degrade you people in any way....but nither will i decline to any thing that i have written on this board......i have very strong feelings about what happened to this family......i will tell you this....everything i have stated is the truth....i was there. and i know what was said and the way the person acted.....and i was not alone.....others were there also.....i am not going to elaborate or go into detail again......i do hope you read my post.....maybe you will be able to undersand how and why i feel this way..

i don't understand myself, could this man as you have discribed, be the same man that i knew as marty......i do know, different times. different invirments, and differant substances [such as drugs]can sometimes alter peoples ways of thinking and actions

Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: to the smarts
it has been stated that maybe bo was dead also.......i hope not and you will be able to find him......i would like to get this sloved. it weighs heavy on my life.....regardless of who are the guilty ones....if i am wrong. i would be the frist to admit it.....however it all depends on who questioned him.......i would not just take him at his word..because i also think he had apart in the killings

and to marilyn...how do i get this new revelation. the one like you claim for your excuse......i would like to be able to wipe the slate clean and blame some one else........you seem to forget, at that time, i got to know you very well....quite a lot about your personal, prestant and past, life......a lot of it, i was involed with....the memories were not your own. oh, thats right, you were comfused.......if i really wanted to, i could claim that your were the one that convinced me that marty did it.....you were the one that told me that before i ever said any thing about it, this was when i went and picked you up at your house the morning after the murders.......it's true the thought did cross my mind, that maybe he had....but....i was not convinced of it until he came back from [reno]....and i judged him from the way he was acting and from what he was saying.... and not what you had told me.......you set right there, when the police came to my house and told them that he was guilty..i think one of them was from here and the other was from Sac.....and i wasn't putting words in your mouth.....so take off your little helo and .stand up to your own actions.....have a blessed day

to Mr. keller...you say you have seen and reviewed evidence produced by the law,that exonerated marty....and maybe you have....lets talked law......

no, i don't think the law here was a bunch of hicks or hillbillies.....but i do think that the crime was very devestating to them and they had never had to handel such a case....and yes, several mistakes were made......not scureing the caben, instead of having open house where meny people walked through it destorying the evidence......waiting several days before calling in the dogs....ectra......also what mr gambert said in the flim about the case being handeled poorly ....i think politics had a part in it...the rivalry between the heads of the police department.....

now i don't know what the policeman was that came to my house..fbi or the other ......he came from Sac...so he wasn't local..... he told me that justin had been put under hypnosis...and i ask him what justen had said....his answer, not much, they couldn't get him under deep enough......later i understand that it was thomes that did it....well it seems that he had only went to two classes in the field.......why didn't they bring someone in that knew and and had more expireance in he was doing.....

something else i have never been able to understand.....justin claimes he doesn't remember any thing of what happened......and this is from marilyn.....he remembered that it was sue and not tina that was murdered...she was gone..maybe down by the river.[this he told the police[....that every one was dead in sues cabin....that he was afraid to go into his own house because he would find merilyn dead there also....and he was showing cascy how to stab some one......and for some reason after being put under hypnosis, he didn't remember any of that. doesn't that sound strange to any one else but me? seems to me if hypnosis can be used to make someone remember, it could also be used to make them to forget..or....someone didn't know what he was doing......

you can believe what you want..but..i know justin has the key to solving this murder...he knows, or knew, who done it

marilyn also told me about two weeks after the murders that that the police talked to her, i think it was Decrona, and told her, marty was the #1 suspect, but they didn't want to arrest him, because if by any chance he was found inacent....and later found out he had done it....that he couldn't be tried again........he also said, that plumas county did not have the funds to try such a high profile case...so what do they do, run him out of town????

Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
your wrong in what you are saying.......sometimes in a matter as important this, bring out confidential evidence, that may or may not be acturate, can do a lot of damage to the case, and to the people invloved with it......

to Mr. keller, you say you possess infromation that clears marty......and maybe you do.....are at least you believe you do....well I have also have seen evidence that contradicks to what you are saying.......I too am reluctant to bring it out on this board......I have my own reasons for not doing this.....if the investigation is still going on, and i assume it is, either the police was not been told about it, WITCH THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN,..... OR it has been covered up......if it is the latter, then what i say would not make any differance.....and people could get in trouble....

Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:50 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent [to Mr keller]
I think your should re-read my post again......I was not trying to be a smart-eallic, but i do detect it in your reply...

frist...i did not say you were wrong.....i was saying it to craig....

Second, did I ask you to to publicly disclose you evidence , no, nor do i exspect you to....nor do i really care......this is your own believe......not mine......in my country, people are allowed to disagree with each other......have i not said, I beleive that marty did the crime based only what I have saw and heard......have i not said, over and over again, to any and everyone one this board, that they can believe what they want....this is only my opinion...or are i'm not alowed to have that......

thrid, what i saw, has nothing to do with my believe or opinion what so ever.....it is also a fact......and you have no idea of what i am referring to......so why don't you tend to your own evedince and i will mine.....

lastly......there were no others to be tricked by......any way i am a little smarter than that....even from you

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:29 am    Post subject: to the smarts
I have just read your PM...kind of confuseing, at least just a part of it, so far

what was the reason Marty took off. that is a simple question for marty....etc......upon hearing of the muders, Marty returned to clear themselves..etc.

....where did and when did they go.....on the night of the muders...they were in keddie, even marilyn will have to admit to that.....lets see....she was with them at the loudge until, not sure of the time. but wasn't it sometime between 10 and 11....they went home together according to her....Marty had gotten into a fight with his boss and she had fired him....he was mad, furrious, stuewed over it for a little while, decided to call her on the phone.the fight was on again....now that took a little time...he decided to go back to the bar and continue it, so she said,..they left, she went to bed.....around 2 or 2;30 she woke up, when they came in, when she got up, marty was stiring the fire and bo was just setting... clam, cool and collected [not her frist version][that one was he was buring something in the stove, said it smelled like marerial]....you can't tell me that a person who had a fight , got fired, was very angery, had another phone fight, went back to the bar to continue it [maybe] and an hour or hour and a half, later was home and so peaceful....thats a bunch of hog wash,....the murders were discovered around 8, or so, by sheila, when she came home... she had spent the night with a friend, ......in the mean time, my ex went over to martys to talk to him about cuting wood, and to see what was happening.....he found marty out in the yard buring leaves with some shoes in them.......i went and picked up marilyn about 9-9:30...marty showed up at my house around 10......on his way to reno he said... he told marilyn for car parts, he told my son, it was to take bo to the veterens hospital......bo wasn't seen are heard from are seen again to my knowelage...

your right. this little trip you talk about doesn't make any sence at all

Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: to the smarts
I was the one that brought up getting carparts was a cover for getting drugs was told to be by an old doper.......and yes marty was going to get carparts so he told you,.....to wade going to the vets hospital.....i don't think they even went to to reno....I think they went to feather falls in stead....i have stated this before....

yes marilyn you did tell me what marty was burning smelled like marterial....don't know if you told the police that but you did me......if so, you wouldn't see the suites any way.....

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: my new theory
thats not true and you know it.....i proved it a long ago......the class we were intogether started in dec. or jan... when i met you...bo was at your house at that time, you told me he had come home with marty about three weeks before that.....that adds up to about 3 or so months that bo was at your house......

yes and sue told me you guys had ask her out on a date several times befor the murder, and she did not like bo or marty...so she told you no..

sweetpea..i don't point fingers because it's easy...i do so because i think he did the crime...and i don't think he was cleared either...as far as gypseys testimonys...it's a bunch of bunk.. she can says any thing she wants to say, and she is very good in malipulating people to fit her agenda....but she knows, i know the truth

Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Justin is the key
no it wasn;t the police.....you should go back and read my post.....

i think drugs were invloved.....but only with the people who done the murders....they were high on them at the time ...don't think there was a big drug rip off

and justin is the key..to who done them, he knows are knew at the time

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: it’s time for me to go back to my world, enjoy yourselfs

marty lived in phoenix.....stoney came from a little town called cottenwood....bout 100,to 150 miles from phoenix

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: my new theory
no it wasn't in the learning center....was a class studing about familys and marrage and kids....isn't that a joke.....starten in dec or jan....we studed at your house several times before the murders......and bo was there marty also...

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:01 am    Post subject: my new theory
I don't know the dates we were there.....just know over a period of time we went to your house

your right about martys remark it never should have been said....i was there when he said it.....when tina walked out of your house, he had a few nasty things to say about her and what she needed. i made the statment that she was only a child, he looked at me and smircked, laugh and stated his thoughts.....sorry, there was no mistake on what he was refering to

the class wasn't in the fall of 81..if it had of been marty or bo wouldn't have been there ....that would have been after the murders, and they didn't stay in town long after that

i don't think sue was lying about asking to go out with bo...

now you say you didn't know any of the meeks family....well that sure funny...we studyed at my house quite often...you knew every one in my family....wade more than any one else, i know before you moved into my house after the murders, you had already managed to put your hooks into him

Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:43 am    Post subject: question for the meeks
you'r right, justin needs to see a professional hypnosisest, he knows who done the crimes...what's odd to me is, right after the murders, he remember several things ....that it was sue, and not tina in the house all of them were dead, tina down by the creek, going to his house afraid to go in,.....etcra.....and after the police got hold of him, and suposaly hypnosised him he forgot everything,????

just to let all know, wade was home the night of the murders......AT MY HOUSE....not that it makes any diff. to some of you, you'll say i'm lying any way..

Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: who did it
it's been a while since i have been on the site......kind of got tired of all the fighting and nothing new being said.....then i lost my computer for a couple of months.....been kind of catching up and refreshing my memory.....

a couple of things to respond to.....craig i don't know just when i first came on the site...late in o5 or early o6 i think.....no i did not know of it before that....neither did laronda....i was the one that showed it to her....

to krr.....i would like to know in what post did i ever call sue a slut.....you have come up with this a couple of times....i have looked for it.......i do remember at one time people were questioning about her have men in her life......i made the statement, that at all the time i knew her, there was none, .......she did not date or go out with any one....that she was NOT a slut......i would just like to know where you came up with that idea...if you really think i referred to her as such or you were were just being nasty with me.....

to you people that are new....i have stated my opinion as to what, who , how. and why. about the murders from the very beginning, i have not changed my mind ...i did not lie, just state the facts, as i knew them and my own personal beliefs as i saw them....

Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:22 am    Post subject: who did it
lol ...gave my computer an over hawl....put spell check in a place where i can get to it...helps a whole bunch... now maybe i won't so frustrated in trying to post

Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: random questions
if you have any of my post, you probably know that i was sue's closes friend.....i and my family knew them better than any one else baring the're intermediate fam.......no tina would not have went down to the river by her self, especially after dark.....she was quite young for her age...she would have been afraid to do so...

the foot prints was of bare feet.....and small....it was thought they were sues, i think so also.....however sue and tina were both small people....so just maybe, they could have been tina's....the cabin was small so don't think they could have been running.....i don't think tina was killed at that time, but they took her with them when they left....

not sure when sue came to quincy......i came here in late 79...she came here close to that time, after i think....say within 3 months or so...think she moved to keddie within six month after i met her.....she moved to keddie because the cabin had more room than where she was living.....when i met her she was living in a small trailer with 5 children...the cabin, though small in it self, had 2 bedrooms......

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: random questions
It was my understanding that the prints was from bare feet......if they were sues, that means she was probably killed after the boys.....if they were tina's....i don't know ...trying to stay out of the way. being pushed around ????.... what do you mean by being involved in it...she was a victim just like the others......

couldn't have been the same bo.....i had met him, he was older than marty...say around 40-45....

Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: random questions
some one had been walking around that had boots on, bloody boot prints were also...stated as army isue...
Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:04 am    Post subject: random questions
the foot prints were small....the boot prints [not shoe] were larger, man's adult size.......

when sheila came to quincy [don't know the dates] several yrs ago, she went down to the keddie murders room, down at the pcsd. station......the information. about the bare foot prints, and them being sues, were on file...... not sure, but think so, about the boot prints, but i heard the same form another sources also. they were in the house too....
V F know you weren't saying any thing about tina's involvement in a bad way..just try to follow as to what you were getting at

Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: the facts
I don't think this was over drugs....think the one who done it was high on drugs though......

if they were there when the boys came home, good possibility, think johny was put down first, they said dina was by the back door, looked liked he was trying to get out of it....

i don't think it was lack of show of respect.....he didn't know what espect was, from and for any female.....he looked on all female as sluts. or any other dirty names he could think of.....and was only good for one thing, sex no matter what age, and tina fit the bill...
think sex may have been the intent but they may not had the time to act it out,
[refusing to go out with bo]
...think it was a personal vendetta....and sue was the target

sue always kept her doors locked at night.....she wouldn't have opened the door for just to talk....i think maybe he use the excuse too talk to justin....he was martys step son...i an see her doing it for that....

your right, christina wasn't there .....every thing she has said, contradicts to what i saw in marty.....not a nice man

i believe justen saw what happened. or at least part of it.....and he knows who it was that did the killings

as to wade, he was at home the nights of the murders.....as far as what marty said to wade, had nothing to do with the murders......it had to do with what was happening between wade and marilyn.....wade and marty didn't like one another....

Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: profile of the perps
you know martys brother was the one that brought up the car load of dope thing and marty taking it.....i have thought for a while...maybe marty told him about the big heist and car...but maybe he told him about being in bigger trouble...murdering some people.......well you know i would rather be charged for stealing dope, than being charged for murder....and maybe it was a trumped up story, to cover him on the night the murders....i dont recall marty being charged for any dope deals....and you would think, if it was that much dope, something would have been done about it.....it's true, the police were tied up with the murder, but still.....only my thoughts

Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:46 pm    Post subject: profile of the perps
no....when marty make that remark, [one of meny] was after he had came back from reno....he had to get to keddie so he could finish something he started.....wanted me to take him there....there wasn't any one with him at that time....

couldn't marty have told his family about him being involved in a pot deal...just to cover his hide? and nothing about the murders...sure they would have stuck by him pushing the story...no one wants to believe that some one in the familly would be a murder

richard was told , by a policeman, that marty was killed in a big drug busts...somewhere up in org. or wash, not sure where....

don't think tina was taken as a hostage, not in the was you are thinking, over the pot , ....they had other plans for her.....but to use her, she being a female,

Thu May 03, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: meeks and sharps [responding to marilyn]
you need to think back a little more......wade went off to the navy on feb.the 14th..valentines day. 1982....he joined up because of you....he was in love with you, and you two had talked of getting married...that was a way for him to support you and the kids......

he was going to collage at the time he joined in, it was on the basis, of sign up now and in six months go to boot camp [actually going into the service later] that way he could get his credits for collage.

you came to my house to stay the day after the murders in 1981.. ...the fact is you stayed at my house for about 2 months...then you and wade move in together in the apartment right next to my house...

you know why you had a falling with the meeks family....you say they had a hot temper....well.. it didn't happen until you started sleeping with other men, two that i know of,...they just didn't like seeing there brother getting hurt...can you blame them...

Thu May 03, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: meeks and sharps
and to whom was asking......wade was at home the night of the murders...

Mon May 14, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: sue as target
you all know what i think about this murder, who done it and why....and I'm not going to rehash it any more.....if i say anything, I'm trying to take over this board, or I'm a Lier, or what ever....I'm not trying to be the big shot and know every thing, only what I witnessed and heard is what i based my opion on, and not what any one else has said....i just know anything i have heard from any one, hasn't altered my opinion in the least...

what i remember about sue and her family.......i will try to answer to the best of my ability......

she went ot frc.....as far as i know she didn't have or go to any study group.....she did not go to ours, [which consisted of myself, wade and marlyn, marty wasn't in it either,.... neither was taking the same class as we were.....i don't remember marty even going to frc at the time we were.....if so, i didn't have any connection with him at school.....only when wade and i went over to marlyn's house to study.....that was when i first met him or was around him at any time......

i don't remember of sue working at the elks club, but every one says she did.....if so she didn't go often, when i knew her......i would have been her babysitter.....

she did not drink, never when i was with her and her family..so there was no bar scene.....she did not use drugs at any time i was with her...in fact she was very much against anyone using them.....

men friends.....i do not know of any men she was interested in.....of all the time i knew her, she went out only one time, and that was to have dinner with a dad of one of the kid's friends.....as far as any men pushing, stalking , or other wise, i knew of only one and that was bo...she told me that marty, marlyn had tried several time to get her to go out with him......she did not like the man and refused accommodate them......

yes she was a good mother....her whole life re-voled around her children.....

seems as if some of you people don't under stand that she and i was very close.....we met through the kids knowing each other at school.....her oldest kids and my youngest became a group kind of.... but from the first time sue and i met, we, and family, also started spending our time together....and I'm not talking about once in a while we would see each other, but almost on a daily basis.....and many times we would stay over night.....go camping, gold panning, go to the kids bowling leagues, play games, etc. usually where one family was so was the other.....if not sue and i, some of the kids would be together, either her or my house......

i don't know why it was, but sue was kind of a loner as i was ......we both had a bunch of kids that got along good.....both pretty much had the same likes and dislikes......and the companionship was probably needed on both sides......it like developed into a family among all of us.....i do know, you don't run across a friendship like that very often....and it was sorely missed....so i cried, for her family and mine

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: hello everyone I am new here
you think because of sue not going out with bo was a joke........well your wrong....i know they had ask her to go out with bo several times, which she refused to do.....if you remember what i have heard marty say about sue meny times before that night.....i believe it became a sore that festered over a period of time.....that night, being high on drugs, angry at his boss, and her refusal again....he was look for something to strike out at.....and she was the results

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: that day
haven't been on for a while......nothing new going on... same-o same-o

don't remember just when sue arrived at my house....but know she was there a good part of the day....when she left, was with her children and dana was with them....he was going to stay the night.....

don't know if the boys went all the way home with her or not...she could have dropped them off somewhere....or they may have hitched- hiked backed into town....

vally flyer..don't know who your friend is, but i can't see jonny asking him home to have a beer...sue wouldn't have let that happened

i don't know any thing about the "crawl space" i know jonny's room was down under the kitchen area......if I'm not mistaken, part of his room didn't have any wall....just dirt that graguated back under the house

Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:25 am    Post subject: that day
craig, didn't say casey and justin went back to keddie.....i think they are here in quincy......casey works with my daughter LaRonda at vally hardware store......

Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: you asked for an update. Here it is
you are absolutely right about this murder being a crime over personal greed and revenge......you know my feelings about it, and why i feel that way. and i think that i have good cause....and you weren't there, so you don't know what took place before and after the murders.

i'm glad the law enforcement has taken on a new interest as trying to get it solved.....i don't want it to go into a never ending 'cold case file'.....as i believe there was another person, one of three,that was involved, and that they still live in quincy.

Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: you asked for an update here it is [to gypsey2]
on the morning after the murders, you told me and the police, when you got up after marty came home from the bar, he was burning something in the stove. it smelled like burning material. this is the first time, i think, that you have stated that casey was in the room with you.....more lost memories?

you tell us, when you got up in the middle of the night, this person that had a fight with his boss, got fried from his job, came home and got on the phone to continued the fight, then left the house mad to go back to the bar and fight with her some more. and a short time later was clam and didn't seem agitated. you and i both know what kind of a temper marty had. even if he didn't have any thing to do with the murders, i can't see marty being clam, under those circumstances, he would have been irate....i think maybe he got byway ed going home or he didn't even go back to the bar. and found another way to apply his vindictivness on

the evening he got back from reno, so he said, high on drugs, pacing the floor, and the things he was saying, wanting me to take him back to keddie--so he could finish something he had started..repeating it over and over, getting up early leaving the house before any one else got up....figger around 4 a.m.....to go to keddie, you bet we were afraid of him, not just you and myself but all of us. why do think jim set by the front door the next night when marty was standing across the street watching the house.

and yes you did sleep with him that night....i think you were afraid not to, as to what he might do.

Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: you asked for an update here it is
to let you know, all my family but one, was at home the night of the murders. Charles was not, he went out to okeland camp that night for a while.

and my family had been out to sues home meny times. and her at mine. friends do that you know.

and no, craig didn't hang out with LaRonda....he and monty were friends...this was before they started dating....but they were around each other at times....

as to you talking about craig being beaten up. yes it did happen, several months after the murders and had absolutely nothing to do with them. non of my family had any thing to do with him being beat up. i know the person that was there when it happen. and if what he said it was over is true, i don't blame them. I'm not siding with any one on the subject, but if any one talked about my daughter like it was told to me, i would expect any of my sons to do the same. ........now craig, don't bet upset, it was just what i was told.... and i didn't claim or report anything

KRR you have been told all these things over and over. evidently it has just went over your head or just doesn't sink in, or what? you know, it gets old repeating it again and again.

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: describe people up there
i don't ever remember making any excuses for... or about any thing i have ever written on any of the post that i have made.....refresh my memory please.
i don't even know what a sugar card is... you will have to explain.....

Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject: describe people up there
you KRR, you brought this up once before accusing me of calling sue a slut. think you need to go back and read what i said.

the day after the murders, it came over one of the tv channals, 3 i think, that she was a seeing A LOT OF MEN and that she was on welfare. making her sound very cheap and slutty, i got very angry and call them up. i have heard one or two people comment about her murderer was probably one of her lovers, people that didn't even know her. SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY LOVERS. some one had made a statement as to that affect, along time ago, and i simply stated sue was not a slut. if your going to quote someone, do it right,

as far as my boys, i don't need them to save me, because i know what I've said and i believe it to be the truth. you believe what you want.

the rest of what you said is a bunch of crap and you don't know what you're talking about.




Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: describe people up there [logged in as guest]
valley flyer

the shoebox was over at marty house the day of the murders. Merlyn said tina had brought it over to their house to show it to her. it was setting on the kitchen table.

when the ploice went onto the house, sue was beaten so badly that they didn't recognize who it was, thought that it was tina. justin told them it was sue, to go look down by the river for tina. sue, for sure, was identified by her dental plates. this tells me that tina was taken out of the house in the chaos. also, as he indicated he saw two of the killers. i think that the third one was taking tina somewhere at that time. possible to the playhouse or a car. that is why he didn't see the third party. maybe the car was parked down by the river. know the playhouse was down the hill behind marty's house. i don,t know how close it was to the river.

merlyn told me she had went down to the playhouse a day or so before the murders and the floor boards were in tacked. the day after the murders, wade, my son, took merlyn to her house to get some things she needed. they walked down to the playhouse and found a couple of the floor boards had been ripped off the floor. they were there, just wasn't in place. my thoughts, tina was hid there until they could find a way to take her to a car.

the day after the murders, when marty came by my house supposedly going to reno. i think tina may have been in that car, that they didn't go to reno at all but went feather falls instead. there were 3 people in the car, marty, bo and dee lake.

when marty came back to my house that evening, he was alone, no car, he was talking real crazy, high on something. i think the reason that is why he was so insistent on getting back to keddie, was to remove any evidence of tina and the dope needles that were in his basement.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: describe people up there
the last post was mine

Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: describe people up there
to salem
it was not marlyn that said marty was burning the leaves. the morning of the murders, my x went to marty,s, they had some plans to go cut some wood that day i think. when he came home, he said there were police over at sue's house. marty was out in the yard burning leaves. there was a pair of shoes mixed in them. he didn't smell them, he saw them, marlyn was talking about smelling the matiral when she got up after they came home that night.

by the way, justin was wareing walters shoes, he had browed them before they left my house that day.

i will agree with you about the blood. but when wade took marlyn out to her house the day after the murders, marty was in "reno" she told me when they came back to the house, that they had went to the play house and also went down in the basement under the house, there was a hammer with blood on it and also a brown paper bag with blood on it. this was before the police ever went to martys house. i think they went there the next day. i talked to wade several yrs ago, he said he didn't remember the hammer or sack but remembered that there was a lot of hypodermic needles laying around.

could it have been possible, only my thoughts, could they have cleaned up there before they went up stirs and marlyn saw them? maybe with a hose or shower? the closthes could have been what was burning in the stove that night that marlyn smelled. maybe that's why marty had to get to eddie, to make sure that there was no evidence left.

and jesse think you are right, i think thats what he did say


Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: answers wanted [logged in as guest]
to jesse..will answer the best as i can

jim, my x, went out to martys house, i would say around 8 -9. he was the one saw him burning the leaves with the shoes in them. this was before he went to reno.

my daughter stayed in keddie that night with a friend, she called me and told me there were a lot of cops around sues house. i tried to call sue, no anwser probably 9-9thirty. i called marlyn then, she told me what had happen. we talked a minute or so, she was very shaken. i ask her if she wanted to come to town, she said yes. i as her if she was afraid, she said yes. this was around 10. told her i would be there as soon as i could get there.

when i got there, her and the kids got in the car.. the first thing she said to me was, marty did it. he killed them. i don't remember what justin was acting like. you remember sue was my friend , and i was a in shock also.
we talked all the way to my house, she kept telling over and over again that marty had done it

i didn't send wade to get her, i went. later marty, bo, and dee showed up at my house, say 11 -11thirty. told marlyn he was going to reno to get some car parts. told wade he was taking bo to the vets hospital. later, marlyn said she had to go to keddie to get some things. wade took her. the kids stayed with me. don't know the time, but it was early afternoon. i don't who or when marlyn moved her stuff. as far as know she never went back there.

i don't know when marty left quincy. know he was in around for a week or so because he would stand across the street watching my house. i don't know when he was supposed to have gotten hold of justin and and told him not to say any more about play stabbing casey. i talked to her about that one time, and she said it was several days after the murders. i ask her when and where
it happened because as far as i knew they hadn't been together. well she was all confused and finally decided it happened right after the murders before i picked them up. didn't make sense to me, still don't.

you say no wonder marty left town...well you know when there was a murder, and wife says her husand did it and i thought maybe, wasn't sure until he came home from reno. what he was saying and how he was acting, convinced me he did do them,you bet he's not coming in my house again. from what marlyn told me, the police thought, he was at the top of the list of being a suspect. they told her that if he got arrested went to court and there was not enough to convict him. then he would go free. and plumas county was a poor county and could afford to take the chance for that to happen....so they told him to get out of town

these are just things marlyn and sheila told me later, when sheila went home that morning, she saw what had happened. she run back over to the neighbors. i don't know how they knew the boys were alive, but took them out of the window so they wouldn't have to walk through the front room. i don't know if the police were there yet. marlyn said they, the police, just sent justin home. that's when he told her every one was dead in sues house
.
need to stop for now....hope this answered some of your questions

richard mother



Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:57 pm    Post subject:
valley flyer...i am inclined to agree with you about the getting the money for a trail....one would think just because plumas county is lacking of money, the government, state would have stepped in and provided what was needed.

but that's what marilyn told me. she said the police told her that.

in your last post, you said there was no evidence of tina going to reno. i don't think they went to reno at all, but went to feather falls instead.
maybe Orville or some where in that area. think they left her with someone there.

Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: danas family and the group home question
I knew dana, he used to come to my, o say, provably two or three times a week. not like sues family which was almost every day.

i didn't find him to be such a wild kid, as has been stated, he was kind of a quite kid, very respectful when he came to my house. if he hadn't been he wouldn't have not been allowed in. i know he had stayed over night several times.

i believe he was in the group home, was be cause he didn't get along with his stepmother. i think, pretty sure, it was by his own choice. i know when he stayed over night at the house, he had me call and ask if he could. i don't recall him having a police record of any kind. if he had, richard would have told me.

i don't think there was any pedophiles in the group home. i knew the man that run it. my kids knew and liked him. can't think of his name. i know it was on bell lane at that time, because i had gone over several times to pick up or take dana home.

at the crime scene, dana was in the kitchen. it looked like he was trying to get out the back door. and yes he was hit with a hammer, probably several times. jonny was also beaten, more so than dana. sue was beaten beyond recognition. at first they thought it was tina, but they found out out it was sue, by her dental plates

i don't know what dana was supposed to have seen, but i don't think it was at the group home, but i don't know where.

Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: danas family and the group home question
salem...i don't know what the film showed, but think it was sassy that told me. she had spent several hours down in the police station going over the info. and the evidence. they have a room there just on the murder. after she left there, she came to my house. we talked about it, and i believe that's when she told me about dana being found in the kitchen and it looked like he was trying to get out of the back door. i could be wrong though, you'll have to ask her, or i will. i would like to know.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: phone
yes sue did have a phone.

Fri May 02, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: stop the nonsense
i don't recall of ever of having a discussion on religion with sue. as far as i can remember, she didn't go to church. nor a cult of any kind. marty maybe. are maybe he knew someone that was.

Sat May 24, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: danas family and the group home question
don't know where you got your infro,

it was with my understanding through richard and dana that he was staying at the group home because of his fathers present wife or girl friend.
don't know of him getting in trouble with the law, and was courted ordered to go to the group home. just know what was told to me by him.

i do know the group was't any where near his home. it was in
quincy at the end of bell lane. his family was living in keddie.

mr. doris run the group home. i had met him several times when i went to pick dana up or take him home.

Sat May 24, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: danas family and the group home question
ok i'll give to you on most of the things, because this was what i was told. how ever not on the location of the group home. at that time it was on the corner of bell and quincy junction rd. some time later they moved up off of first st. any way, nothing to get up set about. has no out come on the murders.

Sun May 25, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: danas family and the group home question
you know it really brothered me about dana, and think you were right. i don't ever remember taking him to his house. just the group home. don't know why i come to the conclusion he lived in keddie. think from the film. i didn't know dana that well although he was around quite a bit at that time. know i took him home [ group home] on bell st. several times. also know i was at it when it was moved to east quincy, on cox st. i think, so maybe the group house had already moved to east quincy at the time they were murdered. know they moved into a new section and it would have been up the hill from mantell st.

i didn't know any of his family at the time. I do see one his sisters once in a while. think her name is lisa. we talk but not a lot.

Sun May 25, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: to new visitors inquisitive minds beware [to mr. smartt]
gee, reading your post brought back a lot of memories.....some 25 + years ago i set in martys house, several times, and listened to him use the same kind of language, about sue, 36 years old, and tina, 12 years old. that you seem to be throwing around to quite a few of these folks, myself included.

well not really, marty langage was much worse and very deranged. you, i'm not so sure of, deranged i mean. But i can sure tell from the way you talk, that i do believe you two to be brothers. guess the apples don't fall far from the tree, hu?

the only difference between what i say. and what you say, is, I KNOW THE TRUTH. and you don't have any idea as to what you are talking about. your are just hurt and striking back. i understand, and am sorry.

Thu May 29, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: who do you think was the target of murders april 11 1981
sunflwr8668
yes i was a good friends of sue and family.

I'm not trying to be smart or rude, but i have been over and over this many times. ever time some one new comes on. this is why i ask all the new people that come on here, to read the old posts. at least they can find out the back ground of every one that is close the the case.

Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: for gypsey
no the drawings didn't look like marty, neither did they look like wade. like every thing else coming down at that time, i think they were just something directed by the hypnotist or who ever.

don't remember him waring glasses. his hair wasn't long.

richards mother=the holly er than thou bitch




Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: lets get this started again
justin was told to keep his mouth shut or he, his mother and his brother would be killed also. and he may have even been forced to have taken a part in the killings. perhaps as a way to keep him silent, however, he did tell the police in the beginning, that his father had done it.

Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: question for mrs. Meeks
When i went out to pick up marilyn and the boys, marty was not with us, i did not see him at that time. He came by my house an hour or so later, saying he was going to reno to get car parts [to marilyn] and to wade to take bo to the vets hospital...????. He came back to the house around sunset. wanted me to take him to keddie. i told him no. according to mairlyn he got up and left around 4am. He did not step foot in my house again. however, over the next week are so, he would stand across the street, just watching the house. i think the police findley made stop doing it

yes casey stayed at my house until she found a place of her own.. think it was about a month or so. justin was there one or two days. i believe.during that time the police took him. for a short time and brought him back. Later, i think, the second day, the took him into protective custody. No, don't think mairlyn knew when they hypnotized him. I know when they came and talked to her and myself, that they had already done it. I know this because one of them said something about it. I ask him what justin had said, the answer was... ho, they couldn't put him under deep enough to get anything out of him


Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: question for mrs. Meeks
ok, yes he was there before the dogs were brought in. they came in about three days after the murders.
the murders were done on sat night, i think. Anyway early the next morn.[sun] was when he came and went to reno...somewhere?....evening he came back to my house, wanting me to take him back to keddie. I refused to do so. he left my house around 4am....this gave him a chance to get rid of any evidents, before the police could find them or dog could find any. Whats so odd, they brought the dogs in from out of town. We have search @ rescue dogs right here in quincy. they could have gotten them that day, and may tina would have been found.
bliss, i am one of the worlds worst spellers...believe me....ask any one that has been on here when i first on this site....every thing i write, i have to use spell check..if i went chat room....i don't know, they go pretty fast..i have tried it, and felt like a idiot,....but?

Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
i agree with you marty's brother......all you new people should start from the beginning.....go to memberlist. Look up gypsey2...and see what she had to say. Go to mine, richards mother, and look up my post. Now this was what happened before and right after the murders....no books. no DVDs were even thought of then. this will give you some insight of what took place right from the beginning. marilyn was martys husband. I was sues' friend. i knew both families. do that and maybe you will understand why we feel the way we do.

a question, the drugs and the car you claim marty stole. why was he not prosecuted for that? as far as i know there is no record of that taking place. I'm not saying it didn't, but if it did; it wasn't the night of the murders. you say marty left town and came back to clear his name. when did he leave. TRUE, he was in keddie the day before and the night of the murders. The next morning my X went over and saw him. He was burning leaves in witch there was a pair of shoes in them. TRUE, for two weeks he stood across the street watching my house. starting right after the murders. TRUE, the police was parked in several places watching him. If my kids or marilyns kid went anywhere the police escorted them to where they were going or at least out of the area. why do you think that was?

I don't think that you were wrong in what you believed in the beginning. And maybe even what your nephew believed. What man, or any person, would tell someone that they had murdered several people. I think he told your nephew and the police also, the story about the drugs and car, to try to cover up he had really done.

you keep bring up of us trying to blame a dead man. Well he wasn't dead at the time. You say we are trying to tarnish your good family name. I don't blame any thing on any of you. You weren't around, and you had no control of what your brother did. How ever you are doing a good job of that yourself. All the filthy name calling, my self include, and the way you talk, the accusing of others, my family mostly. Your putting yourself right down in the gutter. I know you going to say i accuse your brother. Well your right i do. and you know why, if not go back your self and read my post from the beginning. I have good reason to believe. You don't know my family at all. What your reason?

Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:54 am    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
now your getting funny..even makes me laugh

well marty was at the bar that...your right i wasn't there, but people were that knew him... of course their lying...

gee marty ran off....what, for 2 or 3 hours.....maybe during that time he was over a cabin 28 hu
ho yes, marilyn did run off well, not really, I went to get her because she was afraid to stay there, afraid of what marty would do to her and the boys.

your right i don't have proof of the shoes burning. that's just what jim told when he got home. that was before i went out there or saw any one from there. He probably just made that up for no reason at all.

you might be right about him standing across the street, he probably wish he could get hold of all my family and marilyn family. he knew we all knew that he was guilty at that time....he probably would have liked to kick all our asses....or maybe something worse ..hu

why stop at my two worthless sons why not all of us. wasn't your daughter the one that call me "holly than thou bitch" you fall short in my expectations. maybe not, come to think we were all angels, we we just didn't make it to church that night, we all stayed home instead.

preposterous lies yes....worth a try anyway, yes...like you said in his right mind...because that's the kind of a mind he had.

you know i don't ever remember calling you or yours, any dirty names. If disagreeing with you puts me in the gutter...so be it. the only thing I'm on the top dirt, you seem to be clear down in the slime...... and speaking of being. ignorant, I've always heard, and believe, if a person has has to use words like that to express themselves, they are either ignorant or eliterit. Need i say more.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: question for mrs. Meeks
jane, i don't if he was on meds. but i do know this, the reason i said that about marty that night, was because of the way he was acting and what he was saying, he had to be high on something. never in my life have i ever seen anyone act like that. i am not a person to be afraid, but before the night was over believe i knew fear. I wasn't the only one. when we seen marty standing across the street the next night, my husband sat all night behind the front door with a gun across his lap.

I don't know much about drugs, never been around them. so i can't say what he had using.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:20 am    Post subject: what I know
I will try to answer soome of the questiooons

yes it was richard that heard the conversation. Do you think the police would have lisson to him...judging by the way they treated our infro from the beginning. maybe he was just afraid ..don't know

about the man in uniform.....dee was in the army reserves i'm pretty sure, believe one of the branches any way....nine tenths of the time, he wore the uniform, combat boots and all. He was there the night of the murders. he was a good friends with marty. yes there was a lot of people there that night, and a lot has said something about it. and it was dee that was driving the car the next morning, when marty said they were going to reno.

richards viewing....at first i thought grambert had taken him in the house. I talked to him, richard i mean, he said no but stood on the back porch. he said there was blood on the door. and some on the door handle of sues Car.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: what I know
gambert was a cop, and a decent one. was sues back porch. and the car was there you couldn't hardly miss it

Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: question for mrs meeks
i don't know if tina ever went over to Marilyns's house when she was not there, i doubt it. maybe if she thought she was home.

as long as i knew marilyn, she was not working. know she said something at one time of a job. but this was before i got to know her. She went to collage with me and my son.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:35 am    Post subject: question for mrs. Meeks
no i haven't spoken to marilyn in quite a while. not that i wouldn't. the only anger that i have toward her is she tried to convince everyone that we , my family, mostly my self, was putting words in her mind. said she was in shock, and confused, and that ever. all this happened after she "got her new vision" and that's crap. I never tried to convince her of any thing. She did that all by her self.

well I'm pretty sure i know where her new visions come from. and i think i know why.

wade lives right outside of carson city NV. the only thing he has ever said to me, was when he and manilyn went to her house the day after the murders. they went down in the basement. He doesn't remember seeing the hammer with blood on it nor the paper bag with blood on it. As marilyn stated. but does remember seeing hypo needles laying every where

Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: what I know
i assume he did see him...he said he knew who it was

LaRonda and richard both has talked about the F you marty wirten out side the shed. said it had been there for a while. Marty was not liked much.

LaRonda went back to the shed sometime after the murders....she said there was scribbling on the inside wall. as if a child had done it. could not be read.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: revisiting the beginning [to martys brother]
well marty did and made a special point to do it. followed by a nasty laugh. echoed by bo

Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:10 am    Post subject: revisiting the beginning[bo]
something that's been on my mind for quite a while. and you good old Msmartt brought it out.

He made the statement, why hasn't anyone talked to bo in the last 27yrs? I will agree with him. Quite a while back a lot of people went on an extensive search to find him. I'm not real sure of the finial out come. Some said he was dead, Marilyn said about six months after the murder, she got a post card telling her that he was dead. She didn't know who sent the card. Someone said there was a bo, don't know his real name, was in florida, and was alive. But they didn't know if it was the same one that live here. Another said they found a person with that name, but he was to young to have be this bo. So i don't know if he was found or not. wish some body will tell.

these are only MY thoughts. If bo was found alive, why was he not re interrogated?

I know the last people that saw him was when marty, Dee and him came by my house the day after the murders, going to Reno?? He has not been seen or heard from sense, to my knowledge. Now is he dead??

I know marty was a leader, and bo a follower.

Again only MY thoughts.

If a person or persons has committed a crime, the less people that know about it, gives the guilty a better chance of getting away with it?

Do I make sense? Do i get my point across. This is why i would like to know as a fact, if any one has ever found him.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: question for mrs meeks [answering bliss]
I don't want to say just yet. I don't want say anything that would jeopardize this case. mainly the police. Ok. and i'm not even sure it would. I believe i have read some where in the last several post in reference to it. I'm going to kind of check back to see if i can find it.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:16 am    Post subject: evil
about 2 months ago i met a person that was very close to justin. wife/ girl friend. didn't talk to her very long, wished i could have. seems as though justin went under hypnosis about 2 years ago, by some one that knew what he was doing. he did break through. Justin remembered every thing that happened that night. Said she had never seen any thing like it....it was like a reincarnation of marty...and jusstin played the part by action and words Down to minute details. it was pure evil.

She said justin was forced to take a part in i the killings. to what extent i don't know. know he was the one that put the sheet or blanket over sue. I ask her why didn't he tell the police at that time. marty told him if he said any thing, he, his mother and brother would also be killed. that if he did, he would be found guilty because he had a part of it. remember in the very beginning, he said he didn't want to go in his house, afraid he would find hi mother and brother dead.

If I had been him and seeing all those horrible things going on at the time, i don't know if i wouldn't have done the same thing. kept my mouth shut. sure he didn't think that he was only 12 yrs old and wouldn't be held responsible for his actions.

Ask her if he had blocked it out of his mind all these years and didn't remember. answer, yes, but he had flash backs.

ask about tina, he said she was taken to the playhouse.

remember when marilyns new vision came through. about 2 years ago. think that was was when she found out about justins part. OR she already knew. and the truth was to close to being brought out. Not long after that, she quite posting.

can't think of any thing else right now. if i do will post later.

the thing i don't understand, is why didn't justin and marillyn didn't go to the police right then.

well a couple of things have come up sense then as to why. Not going to go into to that right now. Have things i have to do. My sis is coming up from Chico for thanks giving. Probably won't be posting much either. she goes to bed early. at night is when i post most of the time.

so if i donn't get back to the bord for a while......ever one have a good thanksgining.


Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:45 am    Post subject: evil

sis went to bed was tired. thought i'drun quick on the post.

why didn't they go to the police.....quick thoughts, understand justin was writing a book. Iwas told, said he didn't want to reveal the total story until it was finished. kind of tells me he was in hopes of getting big bucks. guess a document was legally signed by sheila, justin and josh that none could write another with out the others permission. If he did so he couldn't use the players real name. he could be sued. sheila and josh ask if he would join them. he said no, He and his partner would do it. hu,. wander who his p. is. how about mother.

money does strange things.

sheila and riichard was up this week end...She wanted to talk to justin, but he refused to talk or meet her. She thinks it's because of the book deal. I think if that is the reason justin is in the wrong. She of all people needs closer.

i have no objection of a book being publish, but think we should get the preps taken care of frist. should have been done 2 yrs ago.

I ask richard about the talking guy in in jail. name was tara or something sounding like that. forgot the last name...R said he lived in tawin. ask him.
he said he did tell the police. but guess nothing came out of it

Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject: what I know
when i speak of dee wearing a uniform, he didn't ware a dress uniform. I don't know that 'camo' is .we called them fatigue's???just normal army working clothes. he wore them mosst of the time.

richard said he did tell the police about the man that was brought in at the jail.

Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: profile of the perps
marty did not go back to keddie when he came back from reno [supposedly], he came to my house. This was the day after the murders. He got there around dusk. That was when he wanted me to take him out to keddie. I told him no. that's when he spent several hours telling us he had to finished, something he had started. He left my house about 4 in the morning. I don't know how he got the thee.

I wasn't referring to the evidence in sues house, but HIS and the play house.

The Feather falls bit. I think that is where they went instead of reno. I think tina was in the car at that time

Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: revsiting the beginning
You know something Spencer [I'll even call you by your given name, out of respect] I think your whole scenario of this case is not out of defending your brother but rather feeding your own overactive ego. Think of it people, all the name calling, filth and derogatory remarks, are used to get a reaction from every one of us. He's using us as sparing partners, and he is succeeding. Many of us react to all the junk he is dishing out. This pleases him. Makes him feel big and important that every one is paying attention to him. Makes him feel like he is in control, the big shot. In a way he is because we feed right into him. I'll bet he sits and laughs and laughs over how he thinks he got the best of us.

Again think about it, when he throws something out to us, he lords it over us until the response subsides. Then feeling like he is losing control, he finds something else shocking to bring it back.


In reading his post. It rings with familiarity. When marty use the nasty remarks, he would look at me to see my reaction. He knew it upset me. This gave him cause to continue. If I really showed my disgust, or make some comment as to what he was saying, then he would come back with far worse.

I'm not saying that you didn't care or love your brother. I'm sure you did, but i think you love yourself much more.

These two men are not the big tough dudes like they want/wanted us to believe. they are/were little men with little warped .minds. This is/was their way to build themselves up by putting others down. That sad to have to go through life that way.

. With marty, I think he let his ego carry his actions to far. He just couldn't stand feeling of being put down. In his little mind, Sue was doing just that. He couldn't tolerate her thinking she was better than him. And he wasn't going to let her get away with that. Thus the murders took place. I think this played a big part of it. It's true the body can be big and tough ie.. fighting, bullying, but it's the mind that controls the body.

Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion
was a shoebox with cut out patterns to make shadows

Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion
there was a front and a back entrance to the house...stairs lead down in back. at the foot of them was jonnys room. was a basement which he use as his room.

the back of her house was an open field until you hit the lower road...about a half a block or so.

Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: the yellow house
Why don''t we stick to the real storie....need I say more

Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:22 am    Post subject: the yellow house [M brother]
You know who did the deed. You know I know who did it. you know Marilyns family knows who did it. You know Sheilas family knows who did it. and so does does the police.

You keep bring up that we are trying to bring down your good family name. What good family name. It's not marty, he''s gone, and i'm sure he's getting his just reward. No one is bringing your familys' name down except you, yourself. All the name calling, vulgar talk, accusing, anger expressions. That's straight from you and martys nice or daughter.

What sadens me about this whole thing is, there were other people that was in on it also. They are running around Scott free. And i'm not talking about justin. that boy was only 12/13. he was just a kid. and not accountable for his actions. especially not at that time and under the threat of him, and his brother, and mother being killed.

Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: yellow house
to celt
I don't know why justin didn't go straight to the police. He should have.
I believe it probably had something to do with Marilyn also could be the book josh published.

Gee if josh could write a book and make a few $. Why don't we write one and make many $$$$. I can see marilyn thinking along those lines. Justin was there that night and he knows what happened. Didn't he say he wasn't going to reveal the truth until he had finished his book. I think it was on joshs board under one of justins interviews.

I don't think justin is afraid of anyone.

Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:33 am    Post subject: yellow house [Mr. Smartt]
Your probably right, I guess I write unintelligently to you. But most of the people understand. I get my point across. All I say on any of my post is what i know about the case. True, I Was not at keddie the night of the murders, but I know what took place days before and after them. I think Valley Flyer has done a tremendous job in the research field. That's good, things need to be brought out. Most of the people that post on here did not know the people involved in the murders. Most have never been in this part of Cal. They only get their knowledge through other peoples post. the only difference between them and me is,

Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:59 am    Post subject: yellow house[Mr. Smartt]
I knew these families. Particularly Sues. I spent a lot of time with them. I knew pretty much on what they thought about things on a general basis. I knew what they thought about each other. the families i mean. I pretty much knew what they did on a daily basis. If people don't want to believe me that's ok .

You know this car that was full of pot that Marty was supposed to have stole, I don.t believe it for one minute. I think it is just one miner evil covering up a major evil. As to the drugs, I think the only drugs that were involved in the murders was the drugs that the prep were under, hard drugs.

Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
I don't know why shelia said they went home after sue picked the boys up. according to her that was around 2:30. Maybe that's when they all came to my house.

I DO KNOW SUE AND THE KIDS AND DANA LEFT MY HOUSE ABOUT 3 MIN. BEFORE 6PM.

She and i had been playing a game. When she walked out of the house to go home, I looked at the clock. The thought crossed my mind, I didn't tell her by, so I walked out on the front porch. she was half way downs the stires. I said good by and stood there and watched her drive away.

Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
#40, danna willems states she took the boys to keddie and droped them off at the keddie turn off.

#56 she said she saw sue and that she was dressed as if she were going out. There is no way she saw sue from the turn off.

Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
josh after #96 you should have followed through regarding marty after the murders. About a week later marty was picked up at the exxon station was using a knife in a fight. When he was taken to jail. Wade my son was also there. Marty yell at him "I got her and I'll get you too. Don't think he was talking about Marilyn.

Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
yes jessy it did happen, the police should have a record of it.

Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:16 am    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
wade had went to a dance in tailorslville, he had had a drink, the police stopped him. He didn't get a DUI. but was booked in on a reckless driving charge. was released the next morn.

Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: time of death forensics
sorry spencer, wade was taken in on reckless driving. Had it been a DUI i would have stated so. Regardless if he was mad or what ever doesn't matter.

What's important is what Marty yelled at wade. "I'll got her and i'll get you to. And he wasn't talking about marillyn

Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:59 am    Post subject: time of death forensics
well KRR, he didn't get his pretty, Marilyn, i presume
nor her little dog too, Wade, i presume.
he didn't have the chance, so who did he get?
Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: to jessy..timeline detail
That evening ,On the 12th, When marty came to my house after going to re no. he was high on something. He kept insisting for me to take him to keddie. He had something that he had to finish. Something he had started and it had to be done that night. I refused to do so.

101: on the 13th, He left my house at or around 4 a.m. in the morn. this gave him plenty of time to clean up any evidence before the police searched his house. they searched his house later that day.

103: Marillyn came to my house around 10a.m. on the 12 th. you stated Marty grabbed jusstin on the 14th. He couldn't have. as she was at my house. and marty had no way to get hold of him. Didn't have at any time he left town.

Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: questions for sassy
the playhouse wasn't down by the river. It was behind marty's house down the hill....maybe 50 ft or so.

Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: to jessy timeline detail
we played dominoes, cribage but mostly pinochle -, when there were someone to play with, my sis and her husband usually.

Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject: question for sassy
yes i have been in it, bouth before and after the murders. before the boards were intacked. After, two of the boards had been riped up.

the flood didn't go that high up the bank.

Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject: gypseys new revelation
Your right you wasn't there at the time. I was.

wade was not friends with marty nor me.

I think Marty stopped by my house the day after the murders because he wanted to set an alibi as to where he was going that day. Reno? how about feather falls.

I think this new revelation of Marilyns was when she found out that justin had seen the murderers. and maybe forced to be in on them. The turning then was To protect her son.

Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: marylyns lies will trip her up in the end
Celt, you need to go back to the members list. look up Marlyns post. Also mine. This is what happened at that time. It's the truth. not marilyns reverson. I had no influence as to what marilyn stated. She did it on her own. and said it to the police.

Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: questions for sassy
I was on the couch, gave marilyn and marty my bed room. No body got much sleep that night. to damed afraid of Marty and the way he was acting.

Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: questions for sassy[krr]
bull, her darghter wasn't even there. She had gone back to org. several week before the murders.

Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
the day before, sue left my house at six pm. her, her kids and dana.

the next morning i got a call from LaRonda. she had stayed the night at a friends house. the house was just the down the hill from sues. she said something bad had happened at sues house because the police was all over up there.

I tried to call sue. no one answered the phone. so i called marilyn house. She said sue had been murdered, along with jonny and dana and that tina was missing. She was very upset. kept saying Marty had done it. I ask her if she wanted to come to town. She said yes, that she was afraid of what he would do to her and the boys. I went out and got her.
not wade and blain. but me. I did not see marty at any time while i was there. She kept telling me that he had done the crime.

Jim, my ex went to martys house they were supposed to have gone woodcutting that day. When he got home He said marty was out in the yard burning leaves there was a pair of shoes in the leaves.

Marilyn talked all day about what took place at her house the night before. about them going out , marty getting mad at his boss, asking sue for a date etc. At the time i didn't know if he had done it or not. but i thought maybe.

Marty came by my house and told her that he was going to reno to get car parts. this was about 10 or so. told Wade he was taking bo to the vets hospital.

He came home just at dusk. Was very high on something. acting like a wild animal. Insisted on me to take him to keddie. I refused. he kept saying he had to do something, Had to finished something he had started. it HAD TO BE DONE THAT NIGHT. this went on for 3-4 hours. I said i wouldn't take that night but would the next morning. He stayed in my bed room. I slept on the couch. Marilyn said he left about 4 in the morning. From the way he was acting and what he was saying was what made me believe that he had did the killings.

My boys, the brothers, was at home with me that night.

Marilyn told me when she got in the car that the police had already talked to Jusstin and her.

Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:11 am    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
Will try to fill a few things in.
When Marilyn changed her story that marty was not guilty. was a couple of years ago. that's about the time that Justin went to another phycritist. At that time was when his memory came back to him. {By the way He did say marty had killed them at the time that it happened. I saw it in writing.} I think she did this to protect him.

I Talked to justin's wife/girl friend about 2 or so months ago. She was there when he went to the phycritist. She said he remembered that marty had killed them. Also he had been forced to take a part in it. Under the threat of getting killed himself and his mother and brother, by marty. Why he didn't go to the police, i don't know. Think maybe he thought he would be incriminated also. Another reason i think he could be afraid to because there was another man involved, and he is still alive. I think there were two more. One maybe didn't help with with the killings but knew about them. Think he was with them when they went to get rid of tina. He lives in Quincy.

to spencer. the shed was behind martys house not sues.

You didn't know your brother very well, all the things he said about sue, and tina, and any other women i heard him talk about, were true.

I can understand if it was just me saying marty was guilty. that people would doubt my words but there are others that know it also . people that i didn't know. I even had a biker tell me so. He didn't know his name but showed me where he lived, it was martys house. Said he was one bad dude.

Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
Justin told them that it was sue and not tina.

Gee spencer you sure go out of your way to try to disprove what i say. Well you just go right ahead. doesn't brother me in the slightest. I know what time they left my house. Ask sassy. I don't know where they all went that day. you just say what you want. I'll just say what I know.

Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
well, you know I'm inclined to agree with you on some of the things you say. I would bet you probably knew him far better than i. 50yrs is a long time. Just reading your post, you sound a whole lot like him. Bet you guys spent a lot of time calling females names, liars, bitches, whores, and what you would like to do with them. Shows what good respectful ups standing men you are. From what you say, it isn't just women, but any one. Men, women or children. What a way to live.

Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject evidence that marty is innocent
spencre wrote:
Well as the saying goes "If the shoe fits, then wear it"! Icall it as I see it, A Spade is a Spade, a liar is a liar, a bitch is a bitch and a whore is a whore! If the name applies then I guess you have to live with it! I live the life God gave me and I have done nothing to no one and have nothing to be ashamed of for the life that I have lived! I am an upstanding member of my community and am respected by those who know me! I have to apologise to no one for my actions!

I'm glad you your are and upstanding and respected in your community.We must live in a different worlds, My friends and community doesn't talk the way you do. In 3/4 of your post, your calling people filthy names and downing them. you should be ashamed. How you live is your choice, it's just not my way.

You say it as you see it. Your right and the whole world is wrong. NOT!

As far as the shoe fitting, sorry wrong size. Checked Yours lately?

Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: welcoming all new members
I don't think i have ever met this robert. Marilyns daughter did not live with her mother when i met marilyn. this was about 3 months before the murders. Marilyn told me she lived in Org at that time. Don't know how long she had been gone before i met marilyn. I don't know when she came back to live in Quincy. Know It was quite a while after the murders.

When did she she date this robert, before or after she came back here. I would guess after.

Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: anslinger gore files
I don't remember sue having a wood stove. but maybe so.

Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: anslinger gore files
no I'm not protecting my children, not in this case. I know where they were at that night.

I don't think the murders were over tina or baby either. Think it was sue.

Get over the word SLUT, you took what I said out of contexts. never said sue was a slut, so don't push it.

Don't know what you mean by one older or two younger. explain.

learned about the murders around 7-8

Laronda called me and said something had happened at sues. she was in keddie at the time. I call sue, no answer. I then called marilyn, she told me what had happened.

Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject polygraph testing
To midnight. I have had no qualms about who the preps were in these murders. I have known from the very beginning. and have stated such.

The FBI come to my house two days after the murders. I stated to them as to every thing that I knew. Marilyn was at my house at the time. She also told them what had happen that night. It his was her old version, and not the not this new revelation. I believe she was telling the truth. The attitude of the FBI was they were just shining us on.. like they weren't interested in what we told them. This just didn't happen with marilyn and my self. But there were others they were the same way with them. Why I don't know.

There are two things i can think of.....Doug Thomes was the head of the police department at the time. There was an election coming up. He really screwed up the investigation. This would have an affect on it. so things were hushed up. Or He and marty were involved in some kind of a drug connection. This has also be said by several people that lives here.

Have to go some where will get back to this later

Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: polygraph testing
Don't follow your line of thinking. I don't think the police were involved in the murders. If doug was involved with marty, and this is here say, maybe he was afraid that it would be brought out if he pushed for marty to be one of the preps. i think it was a cover up from the very beginning. I think things came down just like marilyn said. I know my part of it was true. Also think there is some one here in quincy that was in on it. and still alive.

getting to justin...don't know if he took a polygraph test . but he was supposed to have been hypnotized. And by who no other than doug thomes. He had only been to two classes on hypnotism. I do know justin DID tell them that his father had done the killings. And he told someone else that, other than doug thomes. I have seen it in writing. When the FBI was at my house, he was one scared kid. He stood there and wet his pants.

I have met justin wife/girlfriend. She was the one that told me that justin was forced to help in the killings. threaten that if he didn't help he would be killed and his mother and brother also.

I two don't understand why he didn't go to the police when he remember what happened. Maybe he thougt that he would be blamed for what he had done.

Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: polygraph testing
I''m sorry i disagree with you. I'm not basting my opinion on just what happened after the murders. there was more a lot more. Have you not read what lead up to the murders, as far as marty is concerned.

The names he called sue and tina. Or any female. What she need, a good stud. and what should be done to her and tina. Some men that i Have met may make derogatory about women. but not to the extent that he expressed. It was pure hatred toward her. And tina, regardless of her age, should be used as a sex object.

When he returned from Reno, suposeably, Things he said and how he was acting. sure people say things and not meaning them, but he was like a wild animal that was caged. Very high on something. very intent on having to get to Keddie. Having to finish something he started. And it had to be done that night. Why did he leave my house at 4 in the morning. What was so urgent that he had to be there? What do you think, he had to work on his car. not!

have to take my daughter home, get back to this later.

Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject: hobos
ok KRR you have brought this up again, of me calling sue a slut. Would you please tell me when I did this. Bring up the post or at least tell me when it was posted, I'll look it up. You know i didn't, just prove to me that I am wrong.



Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
there is a back way to father falls. On the east side of of quincy there is a cut off called LaPort rd. that was the way tina was taken

Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
sorry spence. Iv'e lived her sence 79 my sons didn' t have to tell me where father falls is.

the morning after the murders. Marty, Bo and Dee lake was the ones that was going to (Reno). How about father falls. And believe tina was in that car.

Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
well i disagree with you far away, I have been over laPort rd. was in a little Nash rambler. and it wasn't pave then. and yes it was scary. was afraid of meeting a logging truck.

you say you had to have a snowmobile. I don't remember snow being here in qincy at that time. maybe it was a light year for snow. that year. Don't know. still think they went that way.

And spencer, every one that disagrees with you or don't agree with your way of thinking, is starting trouble with you. "busting your balls,' so you say. There is other pp besides you. People that know a hell of a lot more about this than you do.Your sounding more like Grieg all the time.

Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: why go back
justin, casey. and marilyn came to my house the morning after the murders. Justin was into protective custody the next day or two. He was taken to medowvally. several miles from Quincy. He was with the people, for a while. I'd say at least 2 weeks. none of us knew where he had been taken. not even marilyn. It wasn't because she was a bad mother but. I believe it was because marty would stand across the street and watching. he did so until the police stopped him. all the time he spent doing this, the police escorted any one that left my house. the kids i mean.


Spencer. marilyn did not run off with wade. I went out and her and brought her to my house.
And when marty came back to my house after he had suposably went to reno. he stayed at my House, this was when he was acting so bazaar. he left about 4 in the morning.

Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: why go back
it didn't surprise me that about doug thomas. He screwed up a lot concerning the case. however i know nothing about him refusing help.he must have let them in because, i think it was the second day after the murders. This is when the FBI came to my house. They ask a lot of questions to me and marilyn and to her and my kids. it had to be the second day because I told them how marty was acting when he came home from(Reno). which was day after the murders.

Was kind of odd, somehow all of us got the feeling they were just shineing us on, and wasn't really interested in what we were saying. And we weren't the only ones that felt that was. I have talked to others they questioned. and they said they got the same feelings.

My guess, for them not taking casey and marilyn was there were 7 people in my family and 3-justin. would make 9 people that was staying there. Maybe they thought there was enough people that Marty wouldn't give us any trouble. Not only that they were parked all over the neighbor hood watching marty watch my house.

Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: why go back
I know that thomas had already tryed to Hypnotize justin before the FBI came to my house. I ask them about it. they said he didn't go under deep enough. I have seen otherwise and heard different. Justin told them that his dad did the killings. he wasn't talking about his real father, but referring to Marty.

He did go into a memory laps. it wasn't until a couple of years ago that he went to a real hypnotist that it all came out. His wife/girlfriend said he had flashbacks before then. She was there with him. She said that Justin had been made to take a part of the killings. That if he didn't, Marty said he would kill him, his brother and mother. through another sourse. I have seen a document as to justin saying it was Marty.

Now I'm with all of you people as to why he didn't go to the police. I don't know either. I do know there was there is another person involved in the murders. If he wasn't in on the killing himself, He knew about it. I believe he was in the car that took tina to father falls. He is still living here in Quincy.

Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: why go back
will try to answer the best i can.

it very possible that the FBI came to my house on the 3 day after. My house was pretty much in chaos, every thing was coming down all at one time.

I know other people heard Marty threaten Wade at the jail. That he got her and he would get him to. other than that, I don't know.

As for as I know, none of my family or Marilyns was under suspicion of doing the murders. Yes they were questioned just like everyone else that was in the circle of the families and kin. and that was the end of it. Most of this garage started from martys brother.

When marilyn recanted her story was around the time justin went to the hypnotist and remembered what happened. When she found out that justin was apart of it, was when she had this new revelation. I believe this was to protect justin. That's when she started lying about every thing. Up until then, pretty much of what she said was true.

I did not know Sue before coming to Quincy. i came here in 79, probably early Sept. because the quincy fair was on shortly after we got here. Something is wrong with the timeline. Sue had to have moved here earlier that Nov, 1980. This must have been when she moved to keddie. I met her when she lived in Quincy. Sheila had the baby approximately 2-3 months before the murders. so...Sue had to have been living here long before Nov. 1980, I know they were here during the summer, because we went camping and fishing and gold panning. etc. and yes our familes were very close.
As far as the as the pregnancy? yes, there was disappoint it happened. I'm not going to get into it. You can't undo what had been done. so you learn to accept. And no, our friendships was not compromised, as you put it.

Marilyin lived with me about 3 months after the murders, then she and wade got a place of their own, She was at my house at Christmas. Wade went into the navy on Feb. 14 of 82. And yes, at the time because of marilyn's actions, I and part of my family felt that she was using us to get away from Marty.

maybe this help clear up some things for you people.

Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: strikes me as odd
It wasn't a Mr. meeks that pulled justin out through the window. Was Mr. Seabolt.

Jim my x. did go to marty's house that morning. Think they were suppose to go wood cutting. The cop cars were at sues house. Marty was out in the yard burning leaves. they didn't go wood cutting. Jim told me when got home, that there was a pair of shoes in the leaves that marty was burning. Your maybe right maybe he was burning justin cloches. Marilyn, in the beginning, said it smelled like burning material.


The boot prints. From what i have heard they were army issue. And someone checked on them, i understand those particular ones was diff than regular ones. that the army changed them that yr. {something to that affect} someone on this board looked into it. I don't know who. If any of you are the one, please let us know.
there is only one person that I know that wore the army boots. Dee Lake. 90% of the time he wore army fatigues. Not that it makes him guilty with the killings. but he was with marty the night of the murders, at the bar. he was working with him, and he was with marty and bo early the next morning when they came by my house.

I'll get back to this. Richards mother

Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:43 pm    Post subject: strikes me as odd
There isn't really much I can answer to your questions. Only just in the frames that I knew them.
When i first met marilyn was through wade. Now i don't know if he met her at the collage, or maybe it was when he went with Dee to martys house. Any way we decided to take the same class, and doing so to study together. Sometimes it was at my house. or at the collage. Several times we, wade and i went to marilyn's house this was when I met marty. This was probably in Jan. I think it was mid-term (started in the middle of the school year.)

Usually, When at my house we did study, but we did a lot of talking also Merilyn and I. Marty and her was together then. She told me he had been out of the VA hospital about 3 weeks before i met her. From then until the murders they were together. (including Feb. 14)
And bo was living with them. Marty had met him at the VA hospital and brought him home.
She told me that they had lived burney falls before keddie. The reason for moving to keddie was because Marty had got the job at the lodge. I don't remember her being on welfare. If so it was probably when she moved to Quincy, after the murders. Marty got fired from his job the night of the murders. remember, he had a fight with his boss and very angry about it.
I don't know any of the history of their marriage situation before i met Marilyn. but I know marilyn was very unhappy living with marty and wanted out of the marriage. When wade came on the scene, that was her way out.
Here was this women, very pretty, petite, helpless, abused by her husband, and scared for her and her 2 children. This women was 36 yrs, old. Had been married several times, and had an uncanny knack on how to manipulate men.
......Now here was this 18-19 yr. old young man, Not a bad kid, not perfect, just an ordinary kid. Hadn't dated much. was going to collage. He met this women. yes, she was married, but lessoning to her story of woe, and how things were it her marriage. He fell madly in love with her and wanted to be her night in shinning armor, and take her away from all the hurt she was enduring.
Well, You don't reach a young person that thinks he in love and no matter what you say, it just doesn't compute. He even joined the service so he would have a sure way to take care of her and her children. Probably the best thing he ever did.

sorry pp, i got carried away.

spencer, you don't know what your talking about, at least with Marilyn When did marty didn't leave the scene of the crime. not until the police ran him off.

Dee Lake, I knew him quite well. He spent a lot of time at my house. I knew his wife, Mona. To me, he was quite intelligent, interesting to talk to. but he to was a real con-artist. I don't know how well he new marilyn, but he was good friends with marty. He Knew them before we met him. He probably knew Sue. I'm sure he had seen and talked to sue at my house. As far as being involved with Dana and jonny , no. they were just kids to him. As far as participating the killings, leaves a ? mark with me. If he wasn't involved with the actual murders, He knew about them. Think he may have helped them in other ways. Like driving with them to father falls.

Apparently you didn't know Marty. He wouldn't have covered up for anyone , other than his best friends. Let alone Marilyn. (her being a female) She didn't have any dealings in the killings. She knew Marty had done it, from the get go, same as I did.

Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:40 pm    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
you may be right but still think they took her there. even if they went around orville way.

Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: why go back
every now and then i see Dee. I don't talk to him. only maybe say hi or nod my head. I feel very uncomfortable around him. There is no exchanged of combustion.

No I don't think justin should be afraid of him. Dee is a talker. It's all I and me. puts on a big show, but in reality just a little man trying to trying look big, trying to put something over on somebody.

As far as him and Marty, Yes I can see them together. Marty being the leader and Dee being the follower. He would have did what Marty would have expected of him. This would show what a good buddy he was, and build up what a man he was in Marty's eyes. And I'll bet he was scared to death. No he wouldn't go after justin, he wouldn't have the guts to. No one to tell him to, no leader. And if he got cornered, He would talk, you bet. He'd try all the excuses he could find. He would try to con his way out of it. And you know something, I'll bet he would get away with it.

funnyfeeling-No He just said it was his dad and his hair was slicked back. Also when i was talking to justins wife, I ask her if he said if any one was with him. her answer: He didn't say. He said marty had done it and went through illustration of how he done it. Said it was like a rencarnation of Marty himself. I ask about tina, He said she was put in the play house. She was the one that told me that justin was part of it. I ask why as they were his friends. He said Marty had told him that he would kill him, his brother and mother if he didn't help.

By the way. casey, justins brother, told LaRonda that Marty did it. He was the one that was home with Marilyn when Marty and bo came in that night. I wonder what he really did see. LaRonda said she didn't want to talk about the murders with him, they work together.

Now spencer, I want you to jump on this and say he was part of the killings also. this seems to be your style, any body new comes in and "they did it." along with my kids. All this bull comes from You,

Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
I wasn't talking about the buckslake-orville rd. was talking about the Laport rd there is a cut off from that rd to father falls. But you are probably right anyway if buckslake rd was close by the snow, so would the Lapost rd as it covers high country.

I don't consider that trip as a get away trip. It was a trip to get rid of tina. evidence. Had it been a get away trip, they wouldn't have came back to Quincy.

Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject: why go back
Well i read your speech. You know I've heard or read most every thing you brought up over and over again for the past 4-5yrs. And I would bet that all most every one on here , barring those who came on less than 2 weeks ago, has heard it also. same-0 same-0. How ever there was this little section that didn't set very well with me. Quote, below.

adamant/ quote;
And of course, those testimonials come into question because those who made them may have had an axe to grind with Marty, or may have otherwise been involved and were looking to pass the blame off elsewhere.

I'm sure this little tidbit was referring to my self and or Marilyn. I don't know about her, but for myself, I had no axe to grind with Marty. It's true I did not like him. I found him to be crude, nasty and very disrespectful toward women, females in general. You make it sound like i have a grudge toward him and that's why wanted him to be found guilty of these crimes. I don't appreciate that at all. Never have I said I wish this on him, or any one else. Nor would i ever.

I will tell you this, I do believe he did commit the crimes and not because i want him to be guilty. There is a difference. You say there is no evidence as to his guilt. You don't know' you weren't there. I saw and heard much, and it all points to Marty. You don't want to believe it, that's ok with me.

As far as the second little addison, this doesn't brother me. I know me or mine had nothing to do with the murders. And i don't think Marilyn did either.
And while I'm at it, This thing between Wade and Marilyn had no involvement in any way toward sue or her family. Yes, I think it was wrong, Wade was guilty like Marilyn. He should have known better. The only thing she was older and knew what she was doing. And had i been Marty, i would have been 'One pissed dude' as spencer puts it. And i would have probably wanted to thump some ones head. (not killed them}

Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: why go back
sweetpea, Because of what she has done, I have no absolutely no respect for her. We were never friends. The only reason I spent time with her was through the classes we shared. That is until the murders

I know what most of you people think. How could i take her to my house.
I. I didn't know things had gone that far between the two of them. They didn't sleep together at the house. I'm talking about sleeping together, not sex. When Wade came up talking marriage, it kind of slapped me in the face.
2. I don't think she was involved her self. But I'm sure she knew that night what they had done. Probably right after it happened. She was afraid of Marty for her self and children. When i called her that morning she stated so. She had no place to go to get away from him. So I brought her to my house. She did tell the police Who did it. I heard her.
The only thing I have a Problem with, At the time did she know if Justin was apart of it or did he just see it.
I know if I was put into that kind of position again, I would probably do the same thing over again. Regardless of who it is. A fear that entince would be petrifying.

Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: why go back
Sweetpea, My computer was down when this picture deal come up. was down for a while. I never found out what was in the picture or what marilyn did that was so bad. would you please fill me in.

Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: why go back
I'm going to go through my part from the very beginning. and maybe you will understand why i think like i do. I'll try to keep it brief.

I met sue and her kids. the families became very good friends. We spent a lot of time together. knew pretty much what every one was doing on a day to day basis.

Met marilyn through Wade, we all went FRC together. Same class. we decided to study together. At my house, collage and several time at Marilyns house.

There i met Marty and Bo. My first thought, he was a nice looking man. Chang very quickly. Some how the conversation always manage to turn to discuss women. Women to him was nothing; they were only fit for one thing, To do what the man said and for sex. Mainly for sex. I never heard him call a women by name just a whore, slut, bitch, c**t, or any other nasty thing he could think of. A lot of these names was directed towards Sue. (He knew she and i were good friends.) they had ask her to go out with them several times, but she refused. that bitch thinks she so much better than us. What she needs is a good lay, A good piece of this, indicating his genitals. yes and Bo needs some. This was pretty much was his attitude toward sue.
Tina came over one day while i was there, She only stayed a min, When she walked out, he call her a name. she needed a good piece of ass. I said she's just a child. He got this smirk on his face, looked me straight in the eyes and stated. yea well if there old enough bleed, their old enough to cut. ended with a nasty laugh. Bo jounced right him with that laugh. I don't think i ever went over there after that.

going to make this in sections. to much at one time. Richards mother

Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: why go back
May the 11th. I would bet that we were having a bristhday party for walter that day., His brithday is the 11. also. but it doesn't really stand out in my mind either way, but sue and the kids were at my house. I thought they were there most of the day. so did walter and laronda. (but sassy says diff.) I do know they left my house to go home at 6pm. The thought crossed my mind that i hadn't said bye to them. I walked out on the porch and said so, watched her and the kids get in the car and drive away. there was sue, all her kids and dana. that's the last time i saw her.

I was not out at keddie that night. So I don't know what took place in sues cabin.
The next morning LaRonda called me, probelly around 7-8 or so. She had stayed with a friend that live just down from sues house. Something bad has happened at sues house there are cops all over up there. I called sues, no answer. I then called marilyn, She said sue, jonny and dana had been killed. Tina was missing. She said Marty had done it. we talked a min. or so. I ask if she was alright, she said she was afraid. Afraid of what marty would do to her and the kids. I ask if she wanted to come into town, she said yes. so i went and got her. And yes, I listened to marinly and what she was saying, that he had done it. You know, what was odd, The thought crossed my mind while she talking, he could have done it, probably did, but maybe this was away for her to get away from marty.

While this was going on, Jim, my x had went over to Martys house, i think they were supposed to have went and cut wood that day. he had to have left before i got there, or else he was behind the house, because i didn't see him or marty. I didn't stay, just picked up her and the kids and left. didn't even get out of the car. When we got back to my house, Jim came in, he said there was cops all over. said Marty had been out burning leaves it his back yard, and in the leaves was a pair of shoes. I ask if they were kids. he said no they looked like adults.

I'd say around 9-10, Marty came over to my house. Told marily that he was going to Reno to get car parts. Out on the porch, he told Wade that he was taking Bo to the vets hospital. They were in a small silver car. Was Bo , marty, and Dee Lake. in the car.

Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: why go back
I can't tell you guys what was said during the day. sure it was talking about sue, marty and the murders. You know I had lost my friends also, and i wasnt in the best frame of mind either. I know sometime in earlly afternoon, Marilyn said she need to go to keddie and get some things she needed. Kids and her some clothes, and what ever. I told wade to take her and i would stay with the kids.

When they got back. both told me they had went down in the basement at her house. She told me that there was a hammer and a brown paper bag, both with blood on them. Maybe wade was out of the room when she told me that, because he didn't any thing about it. I ask him several years ago if he saw them. He said no, he didn't remember that. Howver, he did remember seeing hypodermick needles laying a every where.
They also went down to the playhouse, shead, which WAS BEHIND MARTYS AND MARILYNS HOUSE. They saw some of the floor boards had been riped out of the 2 by 4s. Mairlyen said they had been in place several days before that. La Ronda said the same thing. she had went down to the shead. before she came home from keddie that day. She said that it looked like a child had been trying to scribble on the boards. She couldn't read read it.

Just about dusk Marty came to my house. He was alone. I don't know how he got there, not by car that I could see. No car parts either.
I Don't know how to explain the way he was acting. I know he was very high on something, I don't know what. the best i compare him with is have you every seen a wild animal caught in a cage. They pace back and forth. trying to get out. He kept asking me to take him to keddie. I wouldn't. He kept saying, He had to ago there, he had to do something, had to be done that night. He had to finish something. Something that he had started, had to finished, had to do it that night. All the time pacing back and forth. this went on for a good three hours or so. I wasn't about to take him any where. I was afraid of him. He said he'd hitchhike. I told him there was a killed out there. an i wasn't going any where that night. that i would take him in the morning. Finally he got talked down, and i let him use my bed. I guess he got up about 4 in the morning and left my house to go to keddie. Marilyn said that was about the time he left. I don't know how he got there. I just know he was gone before i got up and i know it pretty early before light. Didn't sleep much that night. I didn't see him leave either.
I will tell you this, Of all the things Marilyn had said, I didn't want to believe it. By the time that night was over i was sure that he had comitted the murders. There was no doubt in my mind. what marilyn had said that day didn't bring me to that comclusion. What he said and the way he was acting did.

Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: why go back
Later that day. I don't know just what time. Someone told me marty was across the street. And he was, He watching my house and screaming at us. There were Police cars parked on side streets, one on the street behind him. I don't know what time he left, or how he got there. I know Jim set in the living room., behind the front door. with a shot gun across his lap. (all night) Jim never actually said Marty did it, but he knew.
I don't know how many days marty parked his self across from my house, but it was several days. I think the police finally made him quit doing it.

Later a week or so, There was a dance in tailorsville. Wade went to it. After he left, the police stopped him. He hadn't drank much, but enough. They took him to jail. who ever he was with brought the car home. anyway he was charged with reckless driving. When he was took in the jail, Marty was there, He screamed at wade "I GOT HER AND I'M GOING TO GET YOU. Wonder who her was talking about, wasn't marilyn he didn't have a chance to get her.
I guess shortly after that Marty was told to leave town. by the police I was told. I never saw him after that.

A couple of years after the murders richard was in jail, _(drinking in publlic, i think) Any way a Man was booked and put in the cell next to richards. He was high on drugs. Sometime during day the keddie murders were brought up in the conversion. The guy says I know all about it. I was in keddie that night. He said he had walked out of the back door of the bar. Marty, bo and another man waring army clothes, was talking about sue and what they were going to do with her.
Now you can believe this or not know it sounds kind of far fetched, but hichard knew who this man was. He said he told the police about it. I guess they never looked into it. I do believe richard.

A few things. When I took Marilyn to my house, she said Justin had already had talked to douge Thoms. That he had tried to hypnotize justin. That justin had told them that marty had did it. When the FBI came to talk to us at my house. the next day, I ask them about it. One said they hadn't been able to put him under deep enough to get any thing out of him. About 10yrs ago, I saw a document dated around the time of the murders. Justin Had said his dad had done the killings. (and he wasn't talking about his real father.) I don't know why he supposedly had memory laps. His wife said he did. That he had flash backs. and I believe her. she was the one that said when he did go to a real hypnotist, All this bad stuff came back to him. you know the rest of it.

I can't think of any thing more to say but I'm sure there is some.
Maybe you can understand why I Feel the way i do. You say there is no evidence, Well you say it is hearsay to you and i guess it is, but it wasn't to me. So I guess it depends on whether you believe me or not. And it's ok one way or the other. I'm just stating what i know and believe.

Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: stalemate
your right the pictures don't look like marty. they don't look like wade either. or any one i know. Wade does have a high forehead like marty and he doesn't part his hair in the middle, never has. No glasses, Wade has a square face.
I don't think justin did these drawing or had any one do so for him. Think the police just put down what they wanted.

Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:58 pm    Post subject: why go back
well sadie regardless of what you may presume. he was daft enough. That's exactly what he said.

wrong, I lost what respect i had for marilyn when she started messing around with wade.

You know why she changed her story. was when she was sure Justin was part of the murders.

They maybe tire 'Lies' to you and maybe to some one else, but I'v never changed from the very beginning. I knew he did it. This i have written, because i have seen heard, heard and witnessed it, none of it came from Marlyn other than when she got in the car at keddie.

You however have accused every one and his brother of the crime at one time or the other.

gee, the police never follwed me or mine around after the murders. They never sharched my house ever.

thats enough for today. done. Richards mother.

Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: stalemate
I'm really looking forward to reading justins book. Hope it comes out soon. I keep telling you was another person invloved, and he lives in Quinchy.

Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: stalemate
I have told you time and time again, I can't help it if you sre so dence. No, I'm not afraid.
the police already know

Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: stalemate
mis1970 will try to answer best i can

yes when i talked to M on the phone. she said marty done them. I ask her if she was all right. No she was afraid of marty. ask her if she wanted to come to town. I went out and picked her up. as far as believing her, best i can answer is yes and no. yes, given how he felt about sue, and his attitude, he could be capable of it. and it did cross my mind he probably did it. No I can't say as I believe her, knew how marilyn wanted to get out from under marty. that maybe she was pushing this as a way to do so. That crossed my mind also.

It was almost dark (dusk)when he got to my house. He started in with me to take him to keddie. I told him no. I did not want to. The thought was there, he could of done it. I kept telling him no.
He was so high like a mad man. Kept stating he had to finish what he started. diff. words but with the same meaning. Have to go, Have to go tonight, I have something i have to do...etc. This is what convinced me that he did them. when I made the remark "there is someone out there killing people. that he didn't need to go out there" That i would take him in the morning.It was used as a excuse not for me not to take him. I wasn't trying to protect him, I was trying to protect myself. I all ready knew and i wasn't going any where with him. Kept telling him in the morning. This was the only thing i said that seemed to have and affect in his thinking. It was about 11-12 that when he finally gave in. and agreed he would stay. Yes, i was afraid of him but every one in the house was up. I remember thinking 'He couldn't hurt any one because there was to many of us, and at least i would know where he was at.

No i didn't tell the police that day, the day she came to my house. I knew also marilyn had talked to them early that morn. Like I said there was some kind of a doubt there. It was that night that i was convienced. I was sure that the police would come to my house the next morning.
No marlyn didn't talked to jim before I brought her to my house. He had went out Martys house before we came home. They didn't good wood cuting. This was when jim saw the shoes in the burning leaves.

You know I think back now, I should have call the police that night. The murders had already been comitted. but maybe they would have caught him then. To much happening I guess. I don't know.

Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: stalemate
justa mom. I don't know any thing about justins book other than what i'v read from these post. I have never talked to him, or even seen him.I probably wouldn't know him if i passed him on the street.

I guess, not sure, your probely right. I had better clarify myself. this is just my opinion.

Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: why go back
ok spencer. you say, this evidence was in an unplugged refrigerator. if it was, i could see that maybe some of it may have been damaged by the defrosting of the freezer. Water damage from the roof leaking make no sense to me. If it was just unplugged, How did the water get into it. any refrigerator that I have ever seen has a seal around the door. either the refrigerator was in very bad repair or the door was left open. You did not state as such.

I hope there is enough of the evidences left to be able to have a barring on this case. I would like to know the results of it and probably ever one else on this board. If you find something out about it, I would appreciate if we were told. How ever, I would like for someone other than yourself, to assure us that it is a true fact. Someone that has the authority and credibility to state that is indeed real.

Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: stalemate
no celt, I do not know where was bo after the killings, other than he was in the car when marty came to my house. I have my own opinion as to what might have happened to him. I know others will disagree with me.

If it was me, and i had just committed a murder, I would want to eliminate all and any witnesses to the murder. So where was bo? Know pp have said he was here or there, But I don't recall any one knowing for SURE. it was the right bo that lived with marty.

I don't believe there was a car load of drugs that marty stoled THAT NIGHT. I think this was made up to cover marty. Less of two evils. Had the police be lived it, then why was not marty picked up on having legal substance? I think the only drugs involved, were the ones that he, him self was using. A mind changing drug.

Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: why go back
Adamant, thanks for telling me about the evidence. It makes sence now.

Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: meankittys theory 2.0 (revised and expanded)
your doing pretty good as to your theory. and pretty close.

A Couple of things though. the sketches i think were just what the police though they should look like. The killers were older. the one with the dark hair that was slick back was around 35-40. the other was in around 50.

I think the killers was on some kind of dope. mind alternating drugs. I think the murders was on the spur of the moment.

I, like you, would bet tina was not killed at that time.

The killers did know the boys were in the other room. justin was made to help with the killings. The other boys were in the bed room with a chair propped up under the door nob. there was blood on the out side of the door, some one was trying to get in that room. My guess it was justin trying to get back in there after the killers left.

Justin identified the killers.

Other than what i said, you have it down as to pretty much of what happened that night. Almost word for word of what i have been saying from the beginning.

Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: meankittys theory 2.0 ( revised and expanded)
sweet pea, You have been on this sight a long time. you know who i think did the killings. So have you, far away. You know it kind of throws me that you would say something like that to me. You don't have to agree with me, but I've said often enough of why i feel like i do. Jefferzzz, I don't know about you' And yes i did know the preps.

Spencer, It wasn't marilyn or Justin that told me he was forced to take a part of the murders. It was Justins wife. I haven't talked to Marilyn for years now.And no I'm not withholding information, I told the police the day after the murders who done them. {I wasn't even in keddie that night.} But I do know what took place before the murders and also after. Sorry, No obstruction of justice from me. I've also talked to several people who knew who they were, and they have also talked to the police.

Sun May 03, 2009 1:59 am    Post subject: why go back
sorry if i confused you people. Yes i did know justin back then. I was talking about now. Have seen him sence he has grown up or been back in Quincy.

Sun May 03, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
spencer, I don't put keller down, I don't even know who he is. The one i put down is Thomes. I think he was the one who messed Justin up.. All of the police goofed as far this case goes, I belive, but thomes did the most damage.

Mon May 04, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: private msgs
To all you people out there: At some time, away back when, Sue was accused of seeing a lot of men. {Mrs. Seabolts contribution}, This was an out and out lie. I intern said, Sue was not a slut.

Now Mr KRR latched on to my statement like a magnet. Several times he has brought up the idea that I called sue a slut, or a t least hinted as such. He knows I didn't, I know I didn't, but you new people don't know the truth.

Now KRR, If it boost you ego, or makes you feel big, or if it's just to put me down. I don't really care. I will say it again. SUE WAS NOT A SLUT. All the time i knew sue, there was no men in her life. Only once did she go with a man, and that was to dinner. He was the father of one of the kids friends, so we all knew him. So KRR, write what ever you want.

Mon May 04, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: meankittys theory 2.0 (revised and expanded)
To you people out there, away back when, someone stated that sue was seeing a lot of men. {Mrs. Seebolts contribution} and that was an out and out lie. I in-return, I made the statement that Sue was not a slut.

Well KRR latched on to that like a magnet. He said I called her a slut, and or hinted as such several times. He knows I didn't, and I know I didn't. but you new people need to know the truth.

I don't know why he keeps bringing it up. Maybe to build his ego up, or makes him feel big or to put me down. I don't really care. I know that there wasn't an man in Sues life during the time I knew her. Only once did she go out on a date, and that was to dinner. The man was the father of one of the kids friends. we all knew him.

I will say again, SUE WAS NOT A SLUT. so KRR, you just keep right on with your little slurs if it makes you feel good.

Wed May 06, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: gypseys new revelation
yap, she sure changed her mind after she found out Justin was apart of the killings. she's doing this to cover Justin. Maybe they think he may be charged for the crime.
and had it been me in her place, at the time, I may have done the same thing. but i don't think so.

Thu May 07, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: outside the box
No jessew, Meeks didn't come up with that story. That was what Marilyn told me when she went back to her house after the murders.
Wade said he didn't remember seeing the hammer. All he remember is there was a lot of hypo needles laying around.

Fri May 08, 2009 12:34 am    Post subject: revisiting the composite sketches
it said the jacket was found under the house, not playhouse. under martys house was somewhat a bastment. and know one could 'throw' anything under the house. Some one had to ahve put it there.

and Marilyn was right about the boards being ripped up in the playhouse. La Ronda had been out at keddie also and she said the same thing.

spencer you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to keddie. Meny of those people have or had lived there for years, at that time. very few were transitory, or poor as you put it. Most of those houses were logs cabins and in a very rustic settings. Most people, that i knew, lived there because they liked the quite and beauty of town, the river, the trees. It was run down in some places, thats true. that was because some people didn't take care of their place. I would have loved to have lived there.

Fri May 08, 2009 1:01 am    Post subject: why go back
you bet someone talked him into it, by threats

all "the kids" knew justin, but they never run around with him. He was never with the group, think they thought he was to young. More tina's age.

and your wrong about not seeing sheila. We all knew where she was, laronda and her kepting contact. Fact is she came to Quince. sevel times. and stayed with La Ronda for most of the time. and saw richard also. So you don't know what your talking about.

my kids wern't in keddie that night.

Fri May 08, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: why go back
well celt you right, Laronda did stay the night in keddie. I was referring to the boys. wade, richared and walter were home. they were the ones spencer keep harping about.

I never said justin was a bad kid, quiting putting words in my post. as far as i remember, he and tina were friends. I never really interacted with him much as he didn't run around with 'the kids'.

mls; you DON'T know what your talking about.

And Spencer, yes they doing just that.

Fri May 08, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: richard
Had charles seen dana and jonny at oklancamp, they would have known he would tell Sue, and there would have been heck to pay. He knew how old they were and should not have been there.

Sorry seeker, as far as this murders are concerned, My self and my kids are as pure as snow. Your imagination is really running overtime.

Fri May 08, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: why go back
well I think you are going to get there first. In fact I''m going to let God be the judge to the truth of this case. IF I AM JUDGED SLOLY ON THE CASE, HONEY GOING STRIGHT TO HEAVEN.

Sat May 09, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: gypseys new revelation
yes, i believe dee had something to do with the murders. Maybe not with the murders themselves. think Marty call him to have a way to get tina out of keddie and to get her to father falls. Don't think they went to reno.

When Marty came to my house that evening, He was very high on something. You don't do drugs in a Hospital. So where had he been. So there was Marty, Dee {with his car} and Bo, When marty came to my house that evening, He was alone. Dee lives here in Quincy, or near. Where is Bo.. Know a lot of people have tried to find. but don't think they did for sure. Spencer says there was a Bo at martys death, but was he the bo that lived here at the time of the murders. he don't know. So what happen to him, for sure.???.

marilyn does remember. She remember from the time it happened. She is playing the game. riding the fence so to say. She is a manipulator and uses people. and good at it. Marilyn is for Marilyn any way to cover her tracks. At the time of the murders, She claims confusion. That's a bunch of bull. She knew exactly what she was doing. When people on this board started saying marty probably didn't do it, she changed her tune. When she found out of Justins involvement, she came up with the excuse of "the meeks was influencing me." Just her way of getting out of it. This not the only time i witnessed this. She used the men she was sleeping with after she came to live with me. I know of three men who lives were almost ruined because of her. My son was one of them.

Sat May 09, 2009 2:43 pm    Post subject: gypseys new revelation
When Marilyn came to my house, She lead wade to thinking she would marry him. He joined the navy as a way to have the means to care for her and she boys. He did love her. unfortionly she was looking the best man that could do better for her. one of wads friends. was on the list. that didn't work out so she went back to wade. The day he left for the navy, she was in bed with another. He had been gone a month or so, she never wrote him or got in touch him.

He wrote me, wandering what was wrong. He said he was thinking about using some pot as a means to get out of the navy. Would be with a dishonorable discharge. I called the Chaplin and told him what was going on. Guess he talked to wade. God bless him.

Not covering any thing up, and you know it.

Sat May 09, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: gypseys new revelation
Wade , myself and marilyn set down talked about them getting married. That's when he decided to join the navy. that way he would have an income to support them.

Marily and lockwood had a thing going about a week before wade left. She stayed at his house that night. When I got the letter from wade as to what he was going to do. I was mad because she hadn't told him about lockwood. by then she had move in with him. I took the letter over to her house. Like i said, I was mad so i didn't even knock just walked. They were in bed. I threw letter at her and said she had better get hold of wade and let him know what was going on. she probably didn't but the chapin did.

I understand they got married. The last time i saw lockwood, I ask how she was. Well, he said she had moved on and she had left him for her presant man.

this is not said out of spite, I'm just glad that wade joined the navy and got out of her clutches. Best thing he ever did.

Sat May 09, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: gypseys new revelation
The boy i was talking about was named Blain. you have heard marilyn speak of him, Wades friend. She was pitting them one against the other. When she came back to wade, I got a call, don't know from who, that blain was talking about committing suicide. I went to where he was at. He was sitting on the floor with a hand full of pills, threatening to take them. I talked to him for a long time. Guess it changed his mind because he didn't do it. I know he became a drug acttic. I don't know what ever happened to him. Know he isn't in quincy anymore.

Sun May 10, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: gypseys new revelation
Don't call her a bitch. she was not. I'm not condoning of what she did and yes it was wrong but she was looking out for her self and kids, the only was she knew how. So lighten up on her.

Sun May 10, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: torn up floorboards in the playhouse/shed
yes the boards were there laying on the other part of the floor. I understand Marilyn and the peloce went to the play house after the murders. Marilyn and LaRonda both said they were in tack before the murders. I don't think Pot was pot was hidden was hid there. was tina.

Sun May 10, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: gypseys new revelation
spencer, Don't mistake of trying to use me to prove what a bad person Marilyn was.
I would bet you are just wallowing in glory. well. Understand this, What she did when she, was living with me, had nothing to do with the murders. So don't try to pull it into them. I believe what she said about marty was the truth. there is no doubt in my mind. If it had been based on only what SHE said, then i would have thought maybe. There are too things that took place at that time, things that she had nothing to do with. Things that pointed to your brother.

FACTS OR HEARSAY.

I. How marty felt about women. His remarks down grading of what they were here for. Sex...to be use for men's pleasure, that was the only thing they were fit for. this was things he said about Sue and tina.. calling them names, that sue needed was a good man. smirking and point to his private parts. or good old Bo. For Tina, If she was old enough to bleed, she was old enough to cut. As far as i know she hadn't started her periods.
This if a FACT..I heard him say all that stuff and more. Several times.
When i tell you, it become hearsay

Then the murders.

2. Went to keddie to pick up Marilyn and the boys. She said Marty had done it. said she was afraid to stay there, of what he would do to her and the boys.
Fact.. i picked her up
hearsay... what she told me.
She was very up set, said she felt safe at my house.


3. Jim went to martys house the morning after the murders, Marty was burning leaves in the yard, Jim said there was a pair of shoes in the fire
That's hearsay. I didn't see this. but I have no doubt that Jim was telling me the truth.

3. Marty, Dee and Bo came to my house mid morn.. told Marilyn he was going to Reno to get car parts, told wade he was going to take Bo to the Vet. hospital.
FACT...I heard him say that.
My opinion. Tina was in that car. that's how she got to father falls.

4. Marty came to my house around 6-7 that evening. He was very high on something, 1N MY HOUSE, demanding me to take him to keddie. that he had something he had started and had to finish. pacing back and forth, like a caged animal. this went on until late that night. I refused to take him. About 4 in the morning, he left my house.
FACT....myself, and every one in my house, heard what he was saying and how he was acting, 9 of us.
My opinion; he had to return to keddie to clean up any evidents of what he had left.

5. The next day Marty planted his self across the street from my house. Screaming and threatening every one in my house. The police were parked on several places, watching him. Jim sat right in front of the door all night with a shotgun across his lap. This went on for about a week. guess the police finally put a stop to it.
FACT.... every one in the house, and every body that lived around us witnessed it. If any of the kids left the house, the police escorted them away from the area.

6. Marty was booked in to jail because of a knife fight. Wade at the time was in there also. his charge was reckless driving. he stayed the night. When Marty saw him, he screamed at him,"I got her and i am going to get you too. He wasn't talking about marilyn because he hadn't done anything to her, He didn't have the chance.
Hearsay for me: FACT, to the cop that heard him say it.

Several yrs later i saw a document about who did the murders. Justin saying that his father had done them.
Fact, I saw it.

These are only a few things i know is a fact. Many other things came out that i would have to say was hearsay to me. Some i believe is true. Depend on who says it and what is said. i know what i heard and saw, now proving it, I can't, It's not in black and white. And whether any of you people believe, up to you

Sun May 10, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: marty and the meeks house stakeout
I think it was a combination of it all.
Mad at marilyn, yes, I would have been too, had i been in his shoes. Believed it or not, I felt sorry for him. not because she left him, but how she done it. This didn't just happen that day. there were things leading up to it.

Justin was there, at least for a couple of days. think marty was afraid of what he was saying about the murders. when he was standing across the st. I think the police were watching him in case he tried to do something.

I don't know. maybe he was just looking for Marilyn. But after the way he was acting the night before. I wouldn't have put anything past him. He sure wasn't concrened about her then.

Sun May 10, 2009 11:49 pm    Post subject: why go back
Charles was the one that went out that night. but he came home. Don't even ask me what time he came home. I don't know. I know i was up when he came in.

Wade was home, Richard was home, walter was home. Charles came home. La Ronda stay down in keddie.
Charles and wade didn't run around with the younger kids.

Mon May 11, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: marty and the meeks house stakeout
Yes i did feel sorry for him, before the murders, she was trying to find a way to get out from under him. Said she was afraid of him. He had to have known. It's hard to explain. Wade met marilyn before i did, at FRC. By the time i met her, she already had him under her thumb. I tried to talking to him. didn't do any good. what can i say. He was 19 yrs old, in love, I couldn't stop it. Know your going to ask why I took her in my house. Well 4 people had just been murdered. She was afraid and maybe in danger from him. and needed help. If anybody else was in the same situation, I would have done the same thing.

Yes she did tell me on the phone that Marty had done them., and she was afraid of him. That's why i ask If she wanted to come to town. Don't kid your self. she knew who picked her up.

When Marty came back from {Reno}. The way he was acting and what he was saying was when i became afraid of him. To feel sorry for him after that night, Never entered my mind. To much going on. No one told him not to come to my house. He didn't even try. This tells me, He knew that we knew what happened.

Mon May 11, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: marty and the meeks house stakeout
You know something JesseW, you kicked KRR for abusing his rights on this board. You need to take a good look what Spencer is saying. The FILTHy names he is calling people. This is not just to Bliss, but to every body that bucks him. I also have never been called names like that from anybody.

I'll take KRR over anytime above Spencer. It's not right and you should do something about.

Mon May 11, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: marty and the meeks house stakeout
YOU KNOW SPENCER, I'm not on your ass, I could care less about your ass. It's your brother that this is all about. And sure, I can understand how you feel the need to defend him. But it's your way or no way. And anyone that disagrees with you, is bombarded with filthy names. You should not be allowed to do this.

You should be band from this form as far as I'm concerned. At least until you learn to speak civil to people.

Mon May 11, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: torn up floorboards in the playhouse/shed
when jim went out there, not sure, but think it was after LaRonda called me. He left before i went to pickup Marillyn. I didn't see him there. so i asumed he had already come and gone. when i got home. He said he saw all the poloice cars around sues house. Said he saw marty burnning the leaves and shoes.
He was also in my house when Marty came home from {Reno}
Next night, when marty was watching my house, was when he set in front of the door alnight with a shotgun across his lap. He never said much about the murders or marty. He didn't have to. His actions showed me what he thought.

Fri May 15, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: revisiting the composite sketches
the only thing can relate to it, DL wore army clothes almost all the time.

And bo, as far as i know, no one has found him sense they left for [Reno]. could he be buried up on the mountains somewhere. Could it be that maybe marty was afraid he would talk under pressure?

Fri May 15, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: sex offenders in the area
before you guys start hitting on walter. He was younger than johnny. Has never been incarcerated for anything. no tattoo...does limp.

HO yes, was talked to by a judge one time, because he bumped into a car while riding a bike. Probably was 12 or 13 at the time

Fri May 15, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: questions needing answers
already aswered that meny times. wade, richard, walter, and charles was at home that night. Charles did go out for a while, but was home when i went to bed.

My kids didn't sneak out. They didn't have to. i usual knew where they were. Their friends usually were at my house.

Fri May 15, 2009 11:05 am    Post subject: tina
I personly think she was taken to feather falls, and was left with someone who lived there. When they got tired of using her, killed her.



Fri May 15, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: martys fingerprint in the cabin
as far as i know, I don't think Marty had ever been in sues house maybe not even marilyn's eithere. at least until that night. If the prints of him were found there. well....

Fri May 15, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: some questions to start with
will try to answer the best i can.
1. i met sue through the kids. they went to school together. i moved here in 79. came from Phoenix. Had five children. Was single at the time. My ex- came up later. he was here at the time of the murders
I met marilyn through my son wade. they met at FRC. the three of us took a class together.
I have stated over and over as to who I think done the murders.

2.Sue and all her kids and dana was at my house. They left at 6. I'm not sure as to when they came to my house. I thought it was around noon.

3 I don't know why sheila said they picked up the boys up at the park. Maybe i was wrong as to when sue arrived at my house. but i don't think so. If I remember right, My sister and husband, myself and sue played cards that afternoon.

4. I would say 8-8:30 was when LaRonda called me.

5. I tried to phone sue. but couldn't get her. I call Merilyn. She was the one that told me of the murders and tina being missing. yes Justin and casey came with her to my house.

6. I don't know why i didn't pick up LaRonda while i was there. Every thing was happening all at one time. and I guess i didn't think of it. She was staying down a sueies, down the hill below sues.

7. I don't know why, sheila spent the night with seabolts. Maybe they had all ready had the plans before LaRonda went to keddie.

8. I don't know either. I know i was a single mother, with five kids. I didn't have much money. Poor, as spencer says. I didn't even know that sue and johnny was berried here in Quincy, Thought sues brother took her and johnnys remains with him.

Mon May 18, 2009 11:30 pm    Post subject: tina
there is also another route to father falls , cutting off of laport rd. it was also dirt rd. and as some said it probely was impassable at the time due to snow. I don't know.

Tue May 19, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: justin and tina
Tinas shoebox was left over at marlyns. Marlyn said it was setting on the kitchen table. It was a school project. tina took it over to show her.

Tue May 19, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: revisiting the composite sketches
when was marty and bo questioned? It had to have been on the morning after the murders. They were released right? because they left town or at least my house, suposeably going to [Reno] around 10:30- 11:30.

Tue May 19, 2009 10:39 pm    Post subject: justin and tina
VF. it was a shoe box with cut outs. to make it a sadow box.

sweetpea..I went to Phoenix, Jim came back with me. Probely 1-2 months before the murders. No he didnt live with me after we separaded. He lived in cottenwood ariz. After he came up here we stayed together 2-3 month then he went back to Phoenix.


Wed May 27, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: questions needing answers
At times oakland camp rd. becomes inpassable, but it has to have been raining pretty hard. On may 12 the day after the murders, it did rain some what, but nothing to close the road. I don't remember a hard rain rain close, or just before the murders.

I know Charles, next to the oldest boy, my son, went out to oakland camp far a while, to a party.

Wed May 27, 2009 11:19 am    Post subject: sooooo why so quiet ya all
the afternoon when Sue and family was at my house. Jonny and dana, came in from somewhere Don't know where from, my kids might have been with them, but it was mid afternoon. Jonny or dana ask if richard and walter could spend the night. I said i didn't care. Richard came to me, and said they wanted him and walter to spend the night, and for me to say no. Dana I guess, had a beer before he got to my house. Said because he was a diabetic, he shouldn't drink. that the beer was having a affect on him. and richard didn't want to be around him at the time. Any other time Richard and walter would have gone. And yes they were all good friends.

Didn't have any thing to do with sheila.

Wed May 27, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: sooooo why so quiet ya all
Sweetpea. I didn't say my kids never didn't do such things, but it came on when they got a little older. At that time my kids didn't run the streets. Most of the time, all the kids and their friends came to my house. seems as though thats where they llike to congergate. Which was find with me, I knew where they were at. Even when they got older they all came to my house. Ask any one who knew my family. And yes they did smoke weed sometimes, some more than others. but this was when they were older teenagers.

Wed May 27, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: questions needing answers
when i speak of the boys, being home that night. I'm generaly speaking of Richard, walter and wade. these seem to be the ones that has been accuse of taking part in the murders. Charles and wade were older, and didn't run with the kids. Charles did go to oakland camp. He came home before I went to bed.

LaRonda called me i'd say around 8ish, I called sue right after and got no answer, then i called marilyn.

When i went to pick up marilyn, it had just started sprinkling rain. Every one was wondering why the police didn't call in the dogs then, was talking about the rain may wash away any sent that might be available.

Thu May 28, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject memory
Like i said, Marilyn and i a lot of conversations. I don't remember whether it was before or after the murders. In one of these gabs fest, she told me she was afraid of justin. She said he was evil, the devil. I thought that very odd that one would call one of their children that. It always struck me wrong. I know they didn't get along. And he was quite belligerent at times, I witnessed that after he came back form protective custody.

Midnight, I don't understand some of what you are saying, and thats ok. But the day after the murders, when marilyn was talking to the police and every thing was coming down, that wasn't memories, that was happening right then. When she recanted her story 20 some odd years later, I don't think it was any of those things of what you were writing. I think she was afraid justin or maybe even herself would get in trouble.

Fri May 29, 2009 9:07 am    Post subject: memory
I don't know if Marilyn ever told justin or called him that. but I don't doubt it. it was something she told me. I don't think it had any thing to with tina. think she had been feeling that way for a long time. Why i don't know. I know there was a lot of trouble in Merilyn's background. a lot of violence. I can't remember just what, know she was in a relation ship at one time, long before marty came into the picture. think it was somewhat like the wade situation. One of the guys either committed subside or was murdered.
and yes she was seeing wade behind martys back. You know, i tried and tried to talk to him about it, but guess love rules all. Know he wasn't ignoring me but Was just a young kid that hadn't been around much as far a the matters of the heart. she was a very pretty, helpless women [very strong and knew what she was doing]. she was looking for a way to get out of a unhappy marriage, and wade was the outlet. He learned the hard way.

I don't think ricky or marilyn had any thing to do with the murders. I do think she knew about it that night after the fact. I have been told the two boys were hiding in the closet while the murders were going on.

Sat May 30, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: memory
I don't think marty wanted to see sue dead or really planned to kill her. I think it was on the spur of the moment thing. look at what had happen to him that evening. he had went to the bar, had a fight with his boss, got fired, sue wouldn't go out with them. fought with his boss again over the phone. I think he high on drugs.drinking. and was mad. and as the evening progressed the madder he got. After he talked to his boss over he phone. He and bo left the house again. he wasn't gonna take it. He was looking for someone to take it out on. And in that condition, there was sue, who did she think she was. she think she is better than us. Let just go teacher her a lesson. I think he went to confront sue. then every thing went out of control

at that time I don't know if marilyn knew that justin was involved in the murders. Why i think marilyn knew that night, I'm not sure. Just a feeling I had. When she answered the phone when i call her. I ask her what was happening over at sues. Her first remark to me was Sue and jonny and dana was dead and marty done it. then went on about tina.

meankitty: I don't recall marilyn saying anything about justin asking her to leave marty.
I remember her saying that she wasn't close to justin, she said several things that had happened in the past, but I don't remember what they were. said He was evil. she said he was the devil and she was dead serious. I know i said something like: you know kids will be kids and do things. Her answer was, no, he is evil. That sticks out because i thought at the time, what a thing to say about your child.

Stormy: I don't think justin "just lost it." he was cohursed and threatened into helping. by marty in my opinion. And yes, he holds the Key. He knows what happened.

see what I mean people. Here is good old Spencer accusing Wade and Richard AGAIN, I'm not retracting anything. Wade, Richard, Walter and Charles were home that night. Charles did go out for a while, he came home before i went to bed. so he was home.

I'm believe it was justins x that told me about the boys being in the closet. if so, then it would have been justin who told her.

Sat May 30, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: just watched the dvd, some observations
the thing between wade, marilyn and marty didn't have anything to do with the murders. If perhaps marty did know about them, i could see he might have been mad at marilyn. but it had nothing to do with sue.

the only way i can see of marilyn being involved is. After the murders could have justin went home. You know he had to have blood on his clothes. she may have made him change them and sent him back to sues. and told him to make up the story about the love boat. I don't think i have ever heard anything about justin having blood on him. the only thing that makes any sence to me. is she was afraid of what marty would do to her. because he would know that she knew what had went on.

Does that make any sence?



Sun May 31, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: memory
spencer; don't know where you get i admitted i was lying. I haven't lied on any thing. I have always answered the best i could. and you know it.

Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: just watched the dvd, some observations
I don't think justin did the murders. I do believe marty and bo and? did them. Justin was just pulled in them as a protection so he couldn't go to the police. he was told he would be responable just like they would be. threats.

Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
VF your wrong. M, b and dee left for {RENO} long before we talked to the police. Or the DT. I don't know whether they came to my house, later that day or the next day. But i think it was the same day.

Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
I don't think they said anything about M going to Reno. she didn't know until they came by the house.
what brothers me is, when did thomes supposedly put justin under hypnosis, It had to have been before the fbi came to my house because they said something about it. Now justin came to my house when I went and got marilyn. So when did he do it? In the car? doesn't seem likely to me.

From what little things Marilyn said to me of what justin told the police, that marty had done the killings, about tina being taken. And the time line of when her and martys coming and going to the bar the evening of the murders. She didn't go into detail nor did I ask.


Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
You know i got to thinking about this, Marilyn didn't say anything to me about thomes hypmotizing justin in the car. I think she would have if it had happened then.
I don't know at what time she supposedly was told about the murders, that morning. If sheila went home around 7:30, I called Marilyn around 8:00, I went immediately out to get her. {took no more than 15 men.] with all the comfusetion going on, when did he have time to hypnotize justin. She did say thomes had talked to her and justin in the police car, but it couldn't have been for very long.
Justin came to my house when i picked up Marilyn. He did not go any where until AFTER the police had came to my house. While I was talking to them, they said something as to justin having been hypnotized, I know because, i point blank ask what justin had said. the answer was: not much because they couldn't get him under deep enough to remember.
Some one is lying. and it had to be the police.

Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:54 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
I'm not even sure if it was the FBI that came to my house and talked to me, marilyn and any one else, that day. the police only talked to me once concerning the murders.
There were two of them. One i'm pretty sure one was DT. he introduced me to the other man {I don't remember his name] He said that he was out from Sac. I just assumed he was the FBI. I could have assumed wrong.

I do know, When I was talking to them. and marilyn also, It was like they weren't lesioning to what we were saying. Kind of like shinning us on. It was real odd the way they were acting. like yea, huhu, that kind of attitude. The thought crossed my mind at the time that maybe they thought i was taking marilyn side. THAT WAS NOT TRUE. Every thing I told them was what i believed happened as to the who and why M did the murders.
From what I have heard from others who was questioned, they gave them the same feeling.

Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
I have to correct myself. It had to be the 2ed day after the murders when the police came to my house, because i told them how Marty was acting when he came home from [Reno].

Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: evidence that marty is innocent
celt: notice is said around 7;30 around 8:00 give and take 5-10 min. If i remember right. when the police got there, they they thought it was tina that was killed. Justin kept telling them it was sue. To look down by the river for tina. so he knew who it was.
I was told he was sent home by the police. he went. took him three tries to go into the house afraid mom and brother would be dead also. He would have been there before I called marilyn. I'm sure he told M. before I called her.
When laronda called me, probely right away, could have been around 7:45. when I called sues house. i think it was ringing, and ringing. she didn't answer the phone. Had it been busy, i would have hung up and tried a litter later. or called M. which i did.
I can't pin point the time exactly to the min. that's why I said around.

Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: death threats, is that just nonsense or what
I also believe one of the kilers is still alive. He lives here or near Quincy.
I won't go to say he was in the actual killings, but he certainly took a part. I believe he was the one that own the car that took tina to feather falls the day after the murders. So he knew what came down.

Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: josh and all posters to craig about the smartt’s and meeks
spencer, do you realy think that Marty would confess to his siblins that he had been guilty of killing 4 people? I think not. He had to have something to cover his actions, and the story of the car loaded with dope was just that. A cover up. The only 'facts' that you know of is the facts as to what he told to his sibling or your familly. I can understand why you or yours people would want to believe him. I know of no one that would want to believe one of the family could be a killer.
Why he took off? He knew what happened the night of the murders. He was at the bar on and off that evening, and with marilyn, seen by every one. I saw him the next morning, on his way to [Reno.] He came by my house around 10am that morning and came back around 6 that evening. If the car, dope story was true and he was afraid of the perpetrators, why did he come back. He already knew of the murders.You say he came back to clear his name. How would he have even known he was being accused of doing the killings?
I don't think that was the reason why he came back. I believe it was to cover up any evidence that would lead to him being the perpetrator. ie.. wanting to get keddie that night. leaving at 4 in the morning.
Why he take off? From the time of the murders, every day or evening he was in front of my house. We all saw him, the police saw him and was watching him. So when did he take off? From what I understand after a couple of weeks the police told him to get out of town.

Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: I have some questions about this scary case
sorry to disappoint you celt. I've pretty much have said every thing i know about this case. True mariln and wade was seeing each other behind martys back. but had nothing to do with the killing of sue and the others.

Marty and bo going to sues. How about an ego trip. 'She thinks she is better than we are. who does she think she is. lets just go and teach her a a lesson. show her a thing or two.' Dope can do a lot of things to the mind. Marty was mad, and looking for some one to take it out on. and dope enhanced the situation. Sue was the answer. I don't think they intended to do the killings but things just got out of control.

Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: crime scene and timeline
#3. Sheila went down to the police station to the room for this case. She looked at all the evidence. She was the one that told me that the boys bedroom door was blocked with a chair. there were blood on the door knob on the out side.

When i called sue the police was already there. don't know how long before. LaRonda was the one that said they were there.



Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:46 pm    Post subject: did it follow them home
No wade was not at the party, nither was richard they were bouth home with me. Charles was there. Marilyn wouldn't know where they were.

Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: did it follow them home
marlyn was with MARTY, Remember. Sheila was at Mrs. seabolt. Remember.

Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:00 am    Post subject: some questions to start with
sadiewoodhoo: yes i was at sues funeral, it was at a Church here in quincy. several people got up and talked about the family, I was one of them.

celt: you know i remember sue going to collage when she lived in quincy, but i don't remember her being at the collage. Don't know how long she went to collage. I would bet sue didn't know marilyn before she moved to keddie. yes i already knew sue before she moved to keddie. met her through the kids going to school in quincy.

Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: strikes me as odd
meankitty: I believe marilyn's turn about was when she found out that Justin had taken part in killings. Maybe that it wouldn't be brought out if she claimed that Marty didn't have any thing to do with the murders.

Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: who would you like to see
I agree about Dee Lake. Any time you want to put Wade and Richard together, would be alright with me. and with them I'm sure. go for it

Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: inside the cabin that night
If i'm not mistaken, the fat guy that came to my house after the murders, stated that dug thomas was the one that hypnotized justin. i don't believe he was hypnotized at that time.
another thing, when justin was in the car with DT and M. he did know what was going on THEN. No memories. he was telling them the truth at that time. Seems as though justin lost him memory after he had been hypnotized later.
In the composite sketches the killers were not in suites. was't it more like t- shirts?
So, who promped him to in drawing the sketches. Had to be the police. DT maybe?

Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:33 am    Post subject: false memories and hypnosis
Meankitty. reading your infro. on hypnosis. was interesting. I do believe false memories can be planted. have said so all along. However, a lot of things came out BEFORE justin was hypnotised.

Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: aliases
why do you people couple LaRonda with Tina. She was sheilas friend. and run with the rest of the kids, Richard, walter, johnny etc, Tina was one of the littke kids. Not that she wasn't friends tina's friend, but they didn't hang around together.

Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: false memories and hypnosis
no celt, he didn't go over to sues to talk things out with sue. he went over to teach her a lesson. And if you can't figure it out your pretty dense.

At that time, when marilyn was telling the truth, she said she woke up and marty was burning something in the stove. said it smelled like material burning.

And yes speicer it is my opinion.

Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: aliases
Thanks LaRonda, I have gotten a lot of slack over this whole issue. I knew you kids were all home that night but some people just can't stand that some parents have a relative good relationship with their children. I am one of those lucky ones.

R and RaLronda's mother.
Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:30 pm    Post subject: false memories and hypnosis
I have tried to explain this several times. Apparently I'm not getting through to you so you understand.

It was not sue, per say, that he was after that night. He was angry at all that had happened to him, very angry, and he was looking for some one to take it out on. THERE WAS THIS WOMEN, who several times had rejected him. In his eyes, A women who thought that she was better than him, put him down, to good to be with them. Just who did she think she was. What better way to shame and demise and bring down a women than to rape her. I believe that was his intent that night. I believe he was under the influence of dope, this inhacing his thinking 10 fold. I think it was stopped because the boys came home before he had a chance to carried it out.

She had a daughter that was there that night, a female. a little bitch. Lets not kill her, lets take her and use her and leave her with ?? at father falls. That way she can find out what life's about. She just a female, that's what their for. He can have her also, then take care of her as he sees fit. Maybe we can trade her for some dope.

This women also had a son that he had clashed with and did not like. He and his friend came home and met their destiny defending his mother.

Unfortunately that women was Sue.

I know of no way to make it any clearer. If you don't understand, I don't know what to say. I have met people in my life, men and women, that thought and stated so in similar ways. That's not to say, they carried them out. Those people are sick. I think the dope help in this case, or maybe he was just a little sicker than them. It's sad.

Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:36 pm    Post subject: aliases
No celt, I have said over and over and over, that All my kids were home the night of the murders. Look up my post. Every one kept saiding that LaRonda must have been in keddie because she called me from there. When I talked to LaRonda about her posting a couple of days ago, she confrimed that i WAS right, that all my kids was home that night.

By the way, you sound like it was me that did her posting. Well it wasn't. It was her. I wasn't around when she did it.

Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:12 pm    Post subject: false memories and hypnosis
celt, i agree with you 100%. I say this though. If rape was the intent, and i believe so, whether, it was bo or marty, They were both just as guilty.

I have met bo, He was a follower, not a leader. Marty was a leader. bo would have done anything marty told him to do. And yes he should be looked into a lot more. and maybe another party also. you say marty might have tried to have stopped bo. That's crap, bo was a lot older than marty. If that be so, then he would have been able to do it. Also if It was bo that had planned all this, then what the hell was marty doing there.

Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: aliases
well celt your are right in a way. I probely did say that, but for years, i told every one that all the kids were home that night. I knew they were. but every one said she call from keddie, so she must have been there. witch she was. Maybe because of the hassle I was getting, and i hadn't talked to LaRonda, that perhaps she did stay with susie that night. When i talked to LaRonda she reconfirmed that I was right from the beginning. That the kid were at home that night.

Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: false memories and hypnosis
You know something mouth, you call me a idiot. a liar and any thing else that comes into your little mind. You don't know me, have never met me. You don't know what kind of person I am. You wasn't around at the time of the murders. You know nothing of what was taking place.

I was very involved in both of the families. Had known them for quite a while. I knew what kind of life style they lived at the time. I knew what pretty much what each family member thought about each other in their own household. And don't give me the line that Marilyn told me. I saw and heard it my self. Also knew what each family thought about the other. So don't give me any song and dance as to what i don't know.

celt. martys finger prints were found in Sues cabin. And i would bet you that He had never been in her house before that night. I knew how sue felt about him. She did not like him and would not have invited him in her house.

As far as bo. I don't believe he took bo the hospital. He was with bo and dee lake the morning after the murders. And yes they were going somewhere. Wonder where. I don't think it was to Reno at all. As to where marty was taking bo because of what he had done. He did alright. but I don't think it was for that reason. I think he didn't trust bo and was afraid if the police really questioned him he would break down and tell the truth as to what happened that night. Gee, no one has been able to find out anything for sure as to where bo went. Wonder what really happened to him. I have my own thoughts on that.

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: false memories and hypnosis
mouth, the feeling is mutual.

You say I am a liar, only until it fits your agenda. May I should tell you that wade had nothing to do with Marilyn. Or maybe I am just lying about that. ????
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby dmac » Sat May 16, 2015 4:25 pm

As for the Meeks living in Phoenix- Remember how Marty and Loon lived in Phoenix, that's where Marty came from? And the Meeks came from Phoenix to Plumas in 80? Odd timing? Same time Loon and Marty- and the Sharps?

Mama said she picked up her ex, James, in Phoenix a couple weeks b4 the murders. Above, she states she went to Phoenix for a few weeks in Feb 2006. Likewise, Loon said she had been in Phoenix for a 'family emergency' in July 2006. Well, lets look at known Phoenix addresses:

Marty- 1117 E Palm Ln, Phoenix
Meeks- 6165 W Hubbell St, Phoenix

They literally lived 8.5 miles apart on the same road! (Hubbell is 1/2 block away from Palm Lane). Look at it on the map. To put that in perspective, when the Smartts lived in Keddie and the Meeks lived in EQ, that was exactly ten miles in distance, a mile and a half further than in Phoenix. The coincidences just keep stacking up to impossible heights.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby CuriousKitty » Thu May 28, 2015 4:21 pm

This whole situation about the shoes and alleged bloody footprint (not Sue's barefeet, the other rumored footprint) is just driving me bonkers.

First we have Ms. Meeks throwing in the oddly placed remark that:

by the way, justin was wareing walters shoes, he had browed them before they left my house that day.


Well, that's an interesting but seemingly benign little piece of information to throw out there.

But then there's this statement by Marilyn:

As to the shoes (and I'm not arguing with you), I asked Richard if he remembered the bit about Justin’s shoes. This was when I talked to him on the phone the first time (after 25 years) and he said "yes, he remembered". I thanked him whole heartedly and told him, I was beginning to think I was losing my mind. When they were here for the visit last month, we talked about it again. He agreed then also, and said he remembered the fit I was throwing to the police, because I wasted Justin's shoes back.


Well, why was Marilyn apparently raising bloody hell at the police, wanting "Justin's" shoes back, when Ms. Meeks says in her comment that they were Walter's shoes.

And then there's the whole alleged incident of burning the shoes in question.

None of this about the shoes makes sense to me. And it's a real sticking point for me because I keep getting a really hinky feeling about these shoes, to whom they really belonged, and why the fresh hell is Mama Meeks throwing out seemingly innocuous comments about Justin borrowing them the day of the murders.

Especially when Marilyn appears to be under the impression these were, in fact, Justin's own shoes...not shoes borrowed from Walter.

If I were the suspicious type, I'd think somebody was trying to backtrack and cover up the fact that someone's foot/boot print might be traced back to them...

DMAC, what's your take on the shoe situation?
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby dmac » Thu May 28, 2015 4:49 pm

So much about the Meeks/Smartt cabal is currently being debunked. I hold ZERO merit in any fire story, either in the cabin at 2am (when Loon was actually inside 28, participating in the murders), nor later that morning. Who is James, Mama's ex? And why did she bring him from Phoenix (where Marty and Loon used to live, six miles away on the same road) at about the same time Marty and Bo showed up at 26, fresh from Reno?

Thanks for quoting Mama's and Loon's mentions of the Great Shoe Debacle. I think Loon mentioned Justin's shoes because the main gist of HER story (not Justin's, because his only memories abt shoes comes from Loon) is "police think Justin got up and walked thru the front room after the killers left." Loon's accent seems to be on supporting anything that says Justin didn't see killers, and only got blood on his shoes AFTER THE KILLERS LEFT.

Loon's story is also already debunked because of several reasons: Justin was taken away from the Meeks/Loon by DT on Thurs evening, right after the funerals. For DT to get those shoes and for Loon to scream for their return, it would all have to happen in that space between Sun and Thurs. I think Loon also said DT took the shoes Sunday, but that entire conversation in DT's squad car has been debunked as a complete fabrication. So when did any of this happen? Oh, that's right: it didn't.

And if boot prints were found around the cabin (I don't recall if it's true or in any reports, it's case minutiae which often evaporates from my immediate memory), why would Mama Meeks want to imply any bootprints that may match her kids is at 28 because Justin borrowed boots that day? And, really, when was Justin supposed to have swapped footwear? He was in Keddie from Sat noon on, the Sharps were at the Meeks earlier Sat morning after Sue dropped Justin and Rick off at the ball field for practice (according to Sheila). Yet Justin was back in Keddie by noon- so how did he get from Gansner to EQ, swap boots, and get back to Keddie by noon?

We still don't know how Justin got back to Keddie from Gansner Field- Sue dropped him off at Gansner but didn't pick him up on the return- they picked up Rick, Johnny and Dana, according to Sheila. We've also seen reports by witnesses (Joey C for one) that Marty was at the arcade diagonally across the intersection from the Meeks compound on Saturday...

Dana was going to be doing a lot of hiking that day, so his exchange of footwear makes sense. Why would Justin want to trade? The same day? in that same short span of time between when Sue dropped him off and he was back in Keddie by noon? Why didn't anyone mention Justin being at the Meeks that day, it must have been the same time Sue was there if Justin was back in Keddie by the time the Sharps arrived... Why would Mama even know Justin swapped boots with her kid? I don't see any of the kids involved as the type to ask for permission, and any shoe exchange would most likely have happened downstairs- or at least out of Mama's line of vision/awareness.

I think the shoe story, and also the Justin Shoe Swap story, is bullshit made up after the murders- sometimes years later, once rumors of boot prints started surfacing on Keddie forums. Either way you cut this smelly cheese, Loon and Mama have heads up asses if they think their multiple stories (lies) will be believed in 2015.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby kmik » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:45 pm

I have been very busy lately and do not have a lot of time to be looking up old post - it is VERY time consuming - but is very informative if anyone will take the time to read. Here are a few inconsistencies in things Glenna Meeks said.

WHY DOES GLENNA INSIST THE SHARP'S LEFT HER HOUSE AT 6:00P.M.?

What Sheila Sharp Says:

4-11-81 9:30a Sue, Sheila, Ricky, Greg, and Justin drive to Quincy. Sue drops Ricky and Justin off at ball practice at field adjacent to Gansner Park and then drive to the Meek's residence. Sheila then walks to Alice T.'s residence. (Alice is Henry T.'s sister)

4-11-81 10:15a Sue telephoned Sheila at Alice T's house. Sue, Sheila, and Greg then drove towards home. They picked up Johnny and Dana, who had been hitchhiking near Gansner Park.

What Glenna Says:

..... Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: what I know
i'm sorry ....i don't know that much about to do all the things you sugessed.....wish i did
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OUT AT SUES HOUSE ON THE NIGHT OF THE MUDERS....BUT IT WAS SOMETHING HARRIBLE......HOW COULD ANY ONE BE SO WARPED AS TO PUT THOSE PEOPLE THROUGH THAT MUCH.....IT WAS EVIL......
that day, sue and the family had spent the whole day at my house.........dania was there also, not sure of justen......she left the house a 6 in the evening, i remember loking at the c'lock....you know it's funny,,,,usually when she left my house , it was, see you tomorrow and i usually just stayed in the house...for some unbknown reason when she was going down the stepts the thought crossed my mind that i did say goood by to her...i got up and went out on the pourch and told her good by, watchd all of them get in the car and drive away.....strange...that was the last time i saw my good friend


Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: timeline discussion volume 2
I don't know why shelia said they went home after sue picked the boys up. according to her that was around 2:30. Maybe that's when they all came to my house. I DO KNOW SUE AND THE KIDS AND DANA LEFT MY HOUSE ABOUT 3 MIN. BEFORE 6PM.
She and i had been playing a game. When she walked out of the house to go home, I looked at the clock. The thought crossed my mind, I didn't tell her by, so I walked out on the front porch. she was half way downs the stires. I said good by and stood there and watched her drive away


GLENNA AND RICHARD CANNOT DECIDE IF DANA DRANK BEER OR NOT:

What Richard Says:

RICHARD MEEKS
2 posts
03-Oct-05
8:05 PM:
EJ,
CRAIG SAYS DANA DRANK AND DID DRUGS BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE DIDN'T BECAUSE HA HAD A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT PROHIBITED HIM FROM BEING ABLE TO DRINK. IF CRAIG REALLY KNEW DANA HE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS ABOUT HIM. JOHNNY WAS NEVER CALLED JOHN JOHN BY ANYONE, HE WOULD HAVE HATED THAT. I PRACTICALLY LIVED WITH THIS FAMILY AND THEY WITH MY FAMILY. OUR FAMILIES WERE VERY CLOSE BACK THEN. OUR MOTHERS WENT TO THE COLLEGE TOGETHER AND ALL US KIDS HUNG OUIT TOGETHER. THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE THAT WAS WITHHELD THAT ONLY THE FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS WOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT PERTAIN TO THIS INVESTIGATION THAT CRAIG COULD NOT TELL YOU ABOUT BECAUSE HE WASN'T EVEN IN PLUMAS COUNTY AT THE TIME. HE THROWS OUT PEOPLES NAMES FROM QUINCY AND KEDDIE THAT HE MET AFTER ALL THIS WENT DOWN. HE WAS NOT EVER ONE OF THE "WILD BUNCH" OR OF ANY GROUP HE WAS KNOWN BY ALL OF US AS A "SNITCH",A "NARK" AND A "SISSY BOY". MY WHOLE LIFE CHANGED WHEN THIS ALL HAPPENED AND I JUST DON'T LIKE ANYONE TALKING ON HERE ABOUT ALL THIS WHO WASN'T EVEN THERE OR KNOW ALL THE FACTS.

Last Edited: by RICHARD MEEKS on 2005-10-03 20:45:13.723

What Glenna Says:

Wed May 27, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: sooooo why so quiet ya all
the afternoon when Sue and family was at my house. Jonny and dana, came in from somewhere Don't know where from, my kids might have been with them, but it was mid afternoon. Jonny or dana ask if richard and walter could spend the night. I said i didn't care. Richard came to me, and said they wanted him and walter to spend the night, and for me to say no. Dana I guess, had a beer before he got to my house. Said because he was a diabetic, he shouldn't drink. that the beer was having a affect on him. and richard didn't want to be around him at the time. Any other time Richard and walter would have gone. And yes they were all good friends.

I REALLY HOPE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT I ONLY PULLED OUT A FEW OF THESE - BUT THERE ARE MORE - Did LaRhonda call Glenna from Keddie or not?

What Glenna Says:

Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: what I know
the next morning, i got a call from laronda [she stayed out at keddie with a friend, suie, who lived down the hill from sues house] she said something is wrong at sues house, there are cops all over. i tried to call sue but no one answed the phone....i called marlyn...she told me that sue . jonny and daina were dead and tina was missing....i don't remember how i felt...i don't think my mind could coupe with it...or acepted wht she was saying. remembered she sounded up set....i ask her if she wanted to come to town....she said yes, that she was afraid to stay out there so wade and i went out and picked her

Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: answers wanted [logged in as guest]
to jesse..will answer the best as i can
jim, my x, went out to martys house, i would say around 8 -9. he was the one saw him burning the leaves with the shoes in them. this was before he went to reno. my daughter stayed in keddie that night with a friend, she called me and told me there were a lot of cops around sues house. i tried to call sue, no anwser probably 9-9thirty. i called marlyn then, she told me what had happen. we talked a minute or so, she was very shaken. i ask her if she wanted to come to town, she said yes. i as her if she was afraid, she said yes. this was around 10. told her i would be there as soon as i could get there.

Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: aliases
No celt, I have said over and over and over, that All my kids were home the night of the murders. Look up my post. Every one kept saiding that LaRonda must have been in keddie because she called me from there. When I talked to LaRonda about her posting a couple of days ago, she confrimed that i WAS right, that all my kids was home that night.

WAS GLENNA FRIENDS WITH MARILYN BEFORE MURDERS OR NOT?

What Glenna Says: ( I have already used this above because she discussed LaRhonda calling from Keddie - I will use it again because Glenna is telling about picking up Marilyn and the police coming over and thinking she was "shining on them" because she was friends will Marilyn - but she clearly points out that they were not friends - or does she?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: what I know
the next morning, i got a call from laronda [she stayed out at keddie with a friend, suie, who lived down the hill from sues house] she said something is wrong at sues house, there are cops all over. i tried to call sue but no one answed the phone....i called marlyn...she told me that sue . jonny and daina were dead and tina was missing....i don't remember how i felt...i don't think my mind could coupe with it...or acepted wht she was saying. remembered she sounded up set....i ask her if she wanted to come to town....she said yes, that she was afraid to stay out there so wade and i went out and picked her
I did talk to the police....an FBI person and another man came over to my house the next day to talk to me...and this has always puzzled me.......i felt like they were just shinging me on...like it didn't matter what i had to say...or they didn't believe me.....and i don't know why....the only thing i can think of , was they thought i was good friends with merlyn and i was takeing her side.......maybe they knew she wanted to get away from marty and i was trying to help her......they never ask any one else that lived with me, if what i said were true.....

well that is not so....and marlyn will verify this...we were not good friends ,...we didn't not run around together....the only relation ship we had at that time was our school...witch consisted of meeting to study our class together....they never contacted me again.....


Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: the move from quincy to keddie
I did not know marty well....i didn't want to....i did not like marty.....i onlly went over to his house was because of marlyn.....she, my son,wade, and i went to school together,,,,,we would often study together....and sometimes at her house.... these were the times that i was ever around marty.....this was the times that i heard all the trash that was said about sue and tina and/ or any other female that walked this earth....

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: dee lake
she told me one time after you guys had ask her to go out with bo.she said you had ask her before but she didn't like bo and didn't want to have anything to do with him ...yes they did knw sue maybe not very well but they knew her ...she and i had been over to your house several times

Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: I have some questions about this scary case
now you say you didn't know any of the meeks family....well that sure funny...we studyed at my house quite often...you knew every one in my family....wade more than any one else, i know before you moved into my house after the murders, you had already managed to put your hooks into him

Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: false memories and hypnosis
You know something mouth, you call me a idiot. a liar and any thing else that comes into your little mind. You don't know me, have never met me. You don't know what kind of person I am. You wasn't around at the time of the murders. You know nothing of what was taking place.

I was very involved in both of the families. Had known them for quite a while. I knew what kind of life style they lived at the time. I knew what pretty much what each family member thought about each other in their own household. And don't give me the line that Marilyn told me. I saw and heard it my self. Also knew what each family thought about the other. So don't give me any song and dance as to what i don't know.


Here are a few things I get from these:
Glenna's timeline has the Sharp's leaving at 6:00p.m. - which contradicts Sheila - and Paula Seabolts, also
Glenna and Richard do not agree if Dana did or did not drink -if not then why didn't they spend the night at Cabin 28
Glenna cannot decide if LaRhonda was or was not in Keddie - if not then why was Glenna was so specific on her staying at Susie's and calling her the next morning
Glenna cannot decide if she was friends with Marilyn or not

I know to some people these mean absolutely nothing - but for anybody who wonders why I question the Meek's and what they told-just subject yourself to reading these old post - they are straight from the horse's mouth - throughout all the post she is having to defend herself from the people that are calling her a liar. If you read them yourself then you will understand why they were doing this. I'll just say that she is inconsistent and suffers from bouts of convenient amnesia - just like Marilyn.

I would like to ask this question to anyone who lived in Quincy at the time and knew the Meeks Family. Glenna repeatedly talks of her ex Jim. For a long time I thought it was her ex husband because of the way she would word it in her posts - "Jim my ex went to Marty's that morning to cut firewood" - "Jim and Wade had seen Marty and Bo doing drugs" - "Jim my ex had to guard the front door to the house because Marty was outside yelling at us". Jim the ex, according to her, was only in Quincy for a couple months before the murders and left about a month later, if I remember correctly, going back to Arizona. Does anyone remember him being there when these murders happened?
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby joe_mcplumber » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:41 pm

Yeah he was.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby wild » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:05 pm

So, Marty went to the Meeks home on Sunday evening, April 12 while Marilyn and the boys were there with Marilyn sleeping with Wade? That's very messed up. Would explain Marty's anger toward the Meeks and why he stood across the street harassing them and his screaming at Wade while they were in local lockup. I have forgotten so much of this stuff and even though I've read most of it before, am still shocked at the actions of most everyone involved.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby dmac » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:14 pm

I'm most shocked by how Crim, Bradley, Doug Thomas, Stoy, kiddie-diddling Shanks, fucked the case. They raped these victims and continue to do so by standing by their insanely thick lies. One slight glance puts them in the light.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby wild » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:39 pm

Completely agree, dmac. LE screwed this case from the beginning. What a shame that these victims haven't received justice.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby wild » Wed May 11, 2016 1:38 pm

Trying to find this bit of info and don't remember if I read it on this forum or the old one or if I saw it in one of the videos. If it is here and I've overlooked it, I apologize and would like to be directed to it. I woke up this morning thinking about it. Mama Meeks said that Johnny wanted at least 1 of the Meeks boys to spend the night in Keddie but that her boys said they didn't want to go to Keddie so she told Johnny no. Is it just me or is EVERYONE trying to stay away from that cabin on Saturday, April 11-12, 1981?
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby dmac » Wed May 11, 2016 2:08 pm

Are you confusing that with the old story that Dana asked Richard M to stay at 28, but Richard refused because he smelled beer on Dana's breath? Old, unfounded tale, and if I had anything more solid I'd repeat it verbatim.

What they did that night is up in the air because the main facts (autopsy) are botched, and inconclusive in the first damned place. Very frustrating.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby wild » Wed May 11, 2016 4:00 pm

Perhaps that is what I'm thinking about. Sorry if I mix things up. Will do some more reading.
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Re: What Mrs Meeks said

Postby Sheepish » Sun May 15, 2016 8:58 pm

dmac wrote:As for the Meeks living in Phoenix- Remember how Marty and Loon lived in Phoenix, that's where Marty came from? And the Meeks came from Phoenix to Plumas in 80? Odd timing? Same time Loon and Marty- and the Sharps?

Mama said she picked up her ex, James, in Phoenix a couple weeks b4 the murders. Above, she states she went to Phoenix for a few weeks in Feb 2006. Likewise, Loon said she had been in Phoenix for a 'family emergency' in July 2006. Well, lets look at known Phoenix addresses:

Marty- 1117 E Palm Ln, Phoenix
Meeks- 6165 W Hubbell St, Phoenix

They literally lived 8.5 miles apart on the same road! (Hubbell is 1/2 block away from Palm Lane). Look at it on the map. To put that in perspective, when the Smartts lived in Keddie and the Meeks lived in EQ, that was exactly ten miles in distance, a mile and a half further than in Phoenix. The coincidences just keep stacking up to impossible heights.


I wouldn't necessarily read too much into the distance they lived from each other in phoenix. When the Smartts/Meeks lived in the area the city had over 700,000 people in it. Much of my family lived in various parts of maricopa county at that time, and 8 miles is actually quite a distance when you look at social circles; certain types of people lived in certain areas (still do, but less so now) and I didnt see people from one area regularly interacting in other areas often. I wouldn't assume they would know each other or run in the same circles just based on the addresses you gave. Cottonwood, which Meeks mentions she moved to after phoenix, is a different story however. At that time pretty much everyone in the town would have known everyone else.
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