Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

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Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby jhancock » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:48 pm

Dana had little to no parental guidance or support during the time of the homicides; his father was an alcoholic and his mother was mentally unstable. I'm not spreading cruel rumors here--Gary Wingate, his father, discusses these issues in Part I of the documentary and its deleted scenes. Dana had started to get into trouble, slashing car tires, stealing, drinking, and so on. From our interviews with Dana's dad, his three sisters, and the man who ran the group home, Dana was looking for a positive outlet. At the group home he participated in the daily activities and chores. From what I gather, the group home provided him stability that he was not getting from his mother and father. In the documentary, Gary also said that Dana preferred spending time away from home and away from his family, whereas the three sisters (especially Cynthia and Renee) preferred to remain close to home. You can read some additional reports in the case files that describe Dana as a burgeoning "ladies man" as well.

Interesting note: during our phone conversations with Henry Thompson for Part II of the documentary, he was always with Lisa Wingate, one of Dana's sisters.
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Re: Why Was Dana in A Group Home?

Postby quincygirl » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:20 am

From what I have read on this board, it seems as though Henry was harassed by LE in regards to his whereabouts during this crime, and he doesn't seem to be directly involved but it still gives me the creeps that Lisa was with him during your interviews. Lisa had/has her own issues with mind altering substances and has never been the most stable person, I lost track of her many years ago....I don't remember seeing any deleted scenes with her...can you direct me to them? Why would you want to hang out with someone that falsely confessed to murdering your brother?
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Re: Why Was Dana in A Group Home?

Postby Ausgirl » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:01 am

Dana was also in trouble for shooting a cat up with insulin before the poor thing was set on fire alive.

He was smashing up lights at the airport - kind of a seriously dangerous thing to do? Don't planes use those lights to safely land at night? If Dana had worked at an airport, he'd know that.

Slashing tyres, stealing, drinking... Drinking, with insulin-shot level diabetes. It's a deathwish waiting to happen, and he'd fully know that.

Dana was a seriously messed up kid who got the point where he KNEW he needed help. And found it.

So here's some interesting observations:

Dana was killed FIRST.
Dana was killed SLOWLY. Dana was the ONLY victim strangled. Manually. Strangulation is a very personal and up-close way to murder somebody. That person is looking the killer in the face for what? 3-4 whole minutes, before they pass out/die? That's sustained rage, right there.
Dana is the ONLY one with his hands free.
Dana is the ONLY one who did not have ANY knife wounds.
Dana is the main (the ONLY?) recipient of major blows from weapon 4. There's enough evidence to reasonably consider that these blows happened POST MORTEM.
Dana's murder is significantly different from Sue and John's in almost every regard.

Dana was beaten black and blue. Then strangled. Then hit in the head with a hammer (the order here is not necessarily how it happened). THEN he was beat up AGAIN - flogged while lying on the floor, DEAD - with Weapon 4.

Somebody really, really had it in for Dana, didn't they?

And he was such a troubled, kid - doing stuff that put himself in danger, let alone stuff he did which hurt others, and/or potentially could have. Pretty horrible things. Poor cat.

Trisha also said that Phillip did not like Dana because Dana was taking out Trisha.

Phillip is that loopy friend of Wade Meeks mentioned here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=363

You know, the one with pretty severe mental issues and a drinking problem, who was all over the map (including taking a square dance class plastered drunk?) with Wade that day, and who claimed to have been there and seen things (fairly accurately) and stuff. And had it in for Dana, maybe?

What if some of Dana's injuries (the facial beating) happened ---- before the crime? John's too, for that matter.

And a man who was a REAL good buddy of Wade Meeks, too, who happened to hate Johnny like spit -- whose wife says he had an altercation with Johnny right before the murders -- whose wife says he wanted to break Johnny's hands and totally hated teenagers, and so and and so on -- and whose wife was sleeping with his real good buddy Wade Meeks.... THIS guy is the guy who ends up confessing to the murders. But not of John and Dana, who I'd be guessing would be prime targets for Marty's rage.

Curiouser and curiouser.
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Re: Why Was Dana in A Group Home?

Postby dmac » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:00 pm

Dan Dorris, Dana's foster dad at the time of the murders, spoke to us a couple times just prior to his death in late 2013. Below is a summation of the conversations:

    Dana came to live with the Dorrises after the incident at Nugget Motors, a car lot near where Safeway is presently (Dana was charged with damaging several thousands of dollars in tires). The Dorrises were asked to foster Dana, as the probation officers didn't like his mother and deemed her unfit, and Dana's father was out of the picture. Dan never once met Dana's mom but, after Dana died, his father did show up and spoke with Mr. Dorris

    Dana had to pay restitution for the tire incident, so the probation officers employed him at both Gansner Airfield and the Fairgrounds When asked about rumors of Dana smashing lights at the air field, Dan did not recall him ever getting into any trouble at either job location.

    The Dorrises didn't open the larger group home until after Dana's death so, at the time Dana stayed with them, the Dorrises had their children and a few foster kids staying in their home. They would see Rod DeCrona every once in awhile, as Rod's girlfriend worked for the Dorrises, helping with household chores. It was not unusual for Rod to visit or come to pick her up, and they eventually married.

    Dana was diabetic and insulin-dependent and was generally quite good about carrying his insulin and needles with him. In that respect, he was pretty good about taking care of himself. During his entire time with the Dorrises, Dana only had one diabetic episode.

    Without elaborating, Dan said he didn't quite understand the way Dana did things sometimes. Dana never spoke of his home life, and his mother was very disliked by the probation officer overseeing Dana.

    As for hobbies, Dana primarily liked to hang out with his friends. As such, Dan knew Johnny, yet did not know Sue or any of the other Sharps. Dana and Johnny, etc., were 'just teenagers', going through what kids their age have to.

    April 11: The Dorrises received a call from Dana Saturday afternoon, asking if he could stay the night at Johnny's, and they said 'yes'. Dana was supposed to have a ride to Keddie, but that person cancelled on them so they ended up hitchhiking. It was quite common for the kids to hitchhike until after the murders, so it was not unusual for LE/probation officers to see kids hitch-hiking and think nothing of it. After Keddie, the cops cracked down on hitching.

    PCSO came to the Dorrises' home on Easter morning to inform them of Dana's death, and asked Dan and Pat to come to the funeral home to identify Dana. The cops never discussed anything with Dan after that, although they may have with his wife. Police collected all of Dana's belongings, and the Dorrises never received any personal items back.

    Mr. Dorris repeatedly asked us to please keep him informed on everything, and was very nice. He said to call anytime and he would do his best to remember, "but I am 79 years old now." Mr. Dorris was extremely heartbroken over the situation and was also upset law enforcement made no effort to keep them informed of any progress in the investigation.
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby dmac » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:14 am

Big Bump for the post before this one. Go over what Dan Dorris told us. It confirms many things, and conflicts with several dubious assertions. For instance, where is Dana needle pack? Yes, he worked at both the fairgrounds and the airport, but there was no talk of broken lights, etc.
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby sparkplug » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:10 am

Stupid crooked cops probably stole Dana's kit from cabin 28 mistaking it for narcotics.
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby dmac » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:28 pm

The lack of documents or photographs pertaining to the downstairs area of 28 has always been a sore point with me, and many others. Don Stoy's doctored field reports of the collection of evidence and taking of photographs is utterly ridiculous, and is right at 'Exhibit A' level when it comes to proving this investigation was a sham from the get-go. Read it carefully, as it goes from room to room upstairs, then bounces to Tina's classroom, back to upstairs of 28. Look at the photos. MG had all the original negs he'd located reprinted by DOJ a couple years back, and not ONE photo inside the basement.

Many exterior photos, but no mention of the damned series of shots dedicated to the downed clothesline at the entryway into the basement. No mention of it anywhere, certainly not on Stoy's field report. The report goes from inside the cabin to the dumpster by the dorm, back to the door handles upstairs, then over to the fibers found on a fence, then back upstairs inside 28. Not one mention of downstairs. A week in, they notice the bloody print on the bottom stairwell post adjacent to the basement entry door. Still no mention of ANYTHING downstairs. A white dress is put into evidence, and it's listed as "found under the cabin" by former tenant, Doug Thomas. Seabolt Sr found '6451' on the sill of Johnny's room. Any photo of it? NOPE.

Don Stoy goes back to disprove Phil's insistence he'd written a partial plate # on the water heater. The water heater was on the opposite side of the interior wall from Johnny's room. Were pictures taken? Fuck, no.

For years, the state the basement was in would have told us a thousand answers to a few Qs, such as:

Were J&D already home?
Was Dana's syringe kit there?
Dana's supposed bag of clothes?
Any signs of illegal activity down there?
Had the basement been ransacked?

I don't know why no CS photos exist of the basement, other than it is clearly intentional. PCSO absolutely had to take photos of the upstairs, no way around that, but it appears they wanted to limit their 'investigation' to the upstairs and part of the yard. They did NOT WANT the basement, it's contents, or state to be mentioned anywhere in documents. It's as plain as the strap-on dildo on Shanks' face.

Something happened down there. Or maybe it's just as simple as a former tenant Slyvester Thomas wanted to downplay, at all costs, his time living in 28, and the time he supposedly let Killer Marde live there. For so long, I've presumed Marde slept in what became Johnny's basement room.
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby Rowan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:50 pm

I know this thread is old and I hope someone sees this lol.

So, i keep seeing people talking about how Dana was on probation for slashing tires and he supposedly stole money from his job not long before the murders.

One thing I keep reading about is him torturing a cat and shooting it with insulin... but the only places I have read that are forums and have never heard is discussed by anyone actually involved in the case, was that just some sort of sick rumor?

As far as videos of Dana's father discussing why he was in the foster home, does that video still exist? The only outtakes I see on youtube are the ones of his sisters and him, and they don't talk much about his personal life (maybe they didn't know much about it?)
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby marcuslind97 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:30 pm

I've heard about the slashing tires and possible drug involvement, but this thing about cat torture is new information to me. I wonder if it's been proved or just another rumor.
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby Rowan » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:48 pm

I've heard about it in this forum and saw it in a few other forums I have read but I have never heard of any news report or anything like that on it (most likely because he was a minor which is understandable lol) but in the Feather River Bulletin it reports about him crashing a car (not much information other than that and the people he was with). I found it strange that they included that but not the other things he had done (not that they should) because that whole newspaper reports basically your exact whereabouts lol it's a very detailed paper about everyone and everything that goes on in the community.
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby dmac » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:39 am

RU talking Dana's 'crime' history?

Take it with a pillar of salt. The only PCSO logs I have don't match incomplete info on his actual supposed 'crimes'

Most inflammatory and supposed crimes

Injecting cat w/ insulin
stealing any drugs
stealing tires/vandalising store
smashing landing bulbs @ airport

These all eclipse why he was in focus by LE and, tbh, were LE doing their MOTHERFUCKING JOB on 4-11, Dana would still be alive.

Ain't no fucking doubt about that.

Don't look at Dana as the problem. Look at what put him there: his dad, the same ass clown who doesn't give one describable shit to this day. Was Dana trouble, or was his dad a twat?

Justin's mom and dad: worthless cunts
Marty: alcoholic mom, hated his dad
Bo: Dad died when he was ten, his uncle (real dad) was shot alongside him in a violent armed robbery in Chicago in 57. Bo used all family as drug mules.

Wanna go lower on the truth chain?
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby dmac » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:45 am

Dana's PO, in PCSO timelines, admits to seeing Dana hitching a ride at the corner- same gas station

By law, he should have encountered Dana and taken him into custody

Dana would have survived the murders by direct result

Dana's crimes were so huge his PO didn't give one fuck he saw him breaking parole

Big to small, this case is so big few understand the outside scope. Give up now, newbie.
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby Rowan » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:34 am

Okay I feel as though I need to make this clear: I'm not in any way shape or form making Dana as the problem. Never have, never will lol. As someone who had similar issues to Dana growing up, I know full force it is the parents doing, and that is why I am asking, and also because I am trying my best to learn fact from fiction (which is hard in this case) because when talking about a teenager or a child, the last thing I want to do is claim false information about them. I'm no idiot, Dana was a KID. He had every chance to do better in life and grow from his problems, but that opportunity was unfortunately taken from him and it breaks my heart (as well as Johnny).

Also, no. I will not "Give up". I'm passionate about learning these things, not just in this case but a few others. I understand this case is very complex and there is A LOT to learn- that's why I'm here. That's why I'm asking questions. Not because I'm some gore whore or want to spread drama about this case to my friends or blah blah blah. I want to see this solved as well, and I feel this forum is the best place to see that happen. SO excuse me if my questions get annoying, or they seem stupid or they seem ill-informed. I would rather ask a question and look dumb for 5 minutes, then to not ask and be stupid forever :)

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It also absolutely breaks my heart that if Dana's PO were doing his/her job, he would still be alive today. I can't imagine the guild of knowing you could have stopped a teenager from being brutally murdered. I hope they aren't a practicing PO anymore or at least do their job now.

That post was also in no disrespect to ANYONE reading this forum, I just don't like people telling me to give up. If anything, it gives me more motivation then ever to learn as much as I can about this case =-))
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Re: Dana in the Dorisses' Foster Home

Postby dmac » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:49 pm

"give up, newbie" was a joke, btw. Hard to tell a joke on a forum unless you know the teller, or it';s written as poorly and obvious as a typical (read: SHITTY) US 'sitcom'.

Trust me, when it comes to Dana and Johnny, there's far more fiction than truth. Dana's dad was a POS, John's was far worse, and Sue had opted out of being a caring mom. The living she felt she had to do helped bring death to John, Dana, Tina, and herself. Certainly not her fault, but her choices alone put anyone in 28 at "high risk". That part certainly is on her. This case isn't about pointing fingers at Vx, but so goddamned few realize you can't get closer to the truth (much less to understanding the case) if you wearing blinders. Putting aside personal feelings about all involved is 100% necessary. This has led to the removal of Sue from the imaginary pedestal so many placed her atop. It led to Sheila being outed as a liar. It's led to so much of what myself and other forum members have exposed and proved as the truth of the case.

Keep in mind, for Dana, we've heard he destroyed $600 in tires to get probation. That's also been reported as $6000! For shit's sake, in 1981 bucks, who in their right mind would claim $6k? Lot of f-ing lunatic BS spouted as truth! Logic says otherwise, so use it to your advantage. Such as:

    Dana injected a cat w/ insulin (try restraining a cat just for a bath!)
    Dana was about to be arrested for smashing lights at the airport (exactly why his PO ignored him hitching 1/4 m from said airport)
    Dana's mom and dad were trying to relocate him from The Home when he was murdered (say wha?!)
    Dana had just stolen a shitload of acid
    Dana was a narc, and so was John (all from morons with no facts, just exponential theories

The list is more than 50% of what we supposedly know, unless one bores into irrelevant minutiae.

Take the fact that police knew their own PO inadvertently caused Dana's death just hours before the mass murder. And NOTHING HAPPENED to said PO aor anyone else. It is considered minutiae in the Keddie case that one victim SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED BY LE. This is the state of America, and why it is an ever-sinking shithole: An ever-growing population gives less of a fuck about their very freedom. This happens with cops allowed to murder (even when a hate crime), 911 agents allowed to cause death (manslaughter charges don't ring bells?), and the fake fuck (p)resident allowed to shit on the basis of America, a document he's never read and certainly shits upon daily: the Constitution.

I drove to work today thinking I need to slowly write my latest Case Synopsis. Your post abt Dana reinforces my decision. So few understand the main logic behind the solve, such as "Even if the boys were awake, why would the killers kill when they knew Justin was there?!"

Duh, read up on it. Justin says he was with the Sharps from the morning (at ball tryouts) to the afternoon when the Sharps (apparently sans Justin) returned from Q. From that point, he played with Rick until Sheila's and Tina's sleepovers were swapped. Tina stayed home, while Sheila's Girls' Sleepover at 28 fully imploded and the Seabolts put the attention on her rather than (the usual Sat Sleepover girl) Tina.

What we know is Loon disliked Justin, quite apparently still does. She favored Casey (all diff dads, may have something to do w/ how much she hates her exes) yet Casey was alone much of the day, outside, with even Justin and Rick playing "ditch" on him. Loon admitted to this entire forum, live in the chat room, she left Casey alone at 26 when she went to the bar with Marty and Bo. Sadly, I never asked, nor did she proffer- the last time she saw Casey, much less Justin.

Q- Why did Marty, Bo, and Loon kill when they knew Justin was there?

With the info at hand about Justin's whereabouts all damned Saturday, alongside the 'parents' at 26's complete disregard for parenting AND HUMAN LIFE, what is the most logical answer? Occam's Razor?

A- Justin never asked to sleep over, the killers were likely not even in Keddie most of Saturday, so who tf would he ask if Justin felt he needed to?!

Take into account I have multiple accounts of Sue looking for other kids to sleep over at 28 that night. This occurred just after the plan shifted to Justin sleeping over. She was seen visiting neighbors barely familiar with her, asking if their kids (boys) wanted to join a sleepover. These are personal accounts from people who, unlike most in the case, have indicated zero falsehoods.

Those who thinks the main killers are anyone but MARILYN SMARTT MUSGROVE, MARTY SMARTT, and BO BOUBEDE are willfully ignorant before opining, a fucking moron, mentally ill, or a sociopath with ulterior motives. As these facts are real, any (kinder) possibilities I missed for such assholes?
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Dana's Accident w/o License Sept 80

Postby dmac » Sun May 31, 2020 7:10 am

At the end of September, Dana got in an accident, hitting a tree out on Mt Hough Rd. Same access point to where a party was supposedly held that night, where John and Dana were not seen.

Trisha Pettis:

    Pettis, Trisha Dated Dana, didn't know @ drug use, didn't tell Beckley that Tina was pregnant <Bradley/Forcino>
    8109??-????z Trisha D. Pettis dated Dana for about two weeks in September, but didn't know if he was involved with drugs. She never knew Dana to get into fights. She said Phillip didn't like Dana because Dana was dating her. (1ep) <Trisha Davis and Joey Carvalho to unk LE>

    Interview: Trisha D.Pettis 5/19/81. I contacted Trisha at Quincy High School regarding her friendship and possible knowledge of Dana Wingate. Joey Carvalho had told me that Dana had dated Trisha. Trisha told me that she had gone out with Dana for about two weeks last September, but she didn't know if he was involved with drugs. Trisha said she never knew Dana to get into fights. I asked Trisha about Phillip and she said he used to come to her house and she did not like him. Trisha said that Phillip could be mean when he was drunk which was most of the time. Trisha also said that Phillip did not like Dana because Dana was taking out Trisha. Trisha did say that rumors said Tina hated her mom. She did not have much information at all.

Vern Mullen, fellow Dorris Home resident

    Mullen, Vernal John & Dana at foster home @ 1630 -1800 4/11/81

    810411-1630b Johnny and Dana arrived at foster home, advises Vernal Mullen Approximate time: 4:30 p <Leonard>

    (From the 'Excellent Citizen' Report) Passenger: One of the Compton brothers goes with a friend of mine. She was in their house and saw some pictures with three faces "x"ed out. She said the brothers said that the pictures were of the Sharps and implied that they killed them along with Richard C. She said they said something about Vernal M. knowing something.

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